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Injuries

We should have implemented a hard rule before the season started e.g. if you play 90 on the weekend, you play max 60 in midweek. Or if you play 90 and 90 then you only play 30 in the next game.

Some system that balances substitutions so if you only play 30 as a sub, you then get 90, then 60, then 30. Whatever makes sense mathematically to spread the load.

And YES OF COURSE that means that sometimes you cannot select your favourite in-form player, but that is just tough titties to (a) rotate (b) keep all players involved (c) keep all players sharp (d) minimise injuries.

It is too late now, we barely have any players, but before the season we should have been brave and told Romero, Solanke, everyone, that they can only play 90 90 30 or 90 60 30 or whatever mathematics it requires.

And then sometimes we would have to play a game with Dragusin or Davies or Gray but it is only 1 game and then you can go back to Romero.

But you do it scientifically, you take 1 game of pain rather than 20 game absence of Romero.

Even if you don't have a striker and have to play Johnson or Son or Deki or Lankshear or Dragusin as a striker, you don't play Solanke 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 POP! And you don't play Porro 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 POP! And play Romero....
 
Bullet said:
We should have implemented a hard rule before the season started e.g. if you play 90 on the weekend, you play max 60 in midweek. Or if you play 90 and 90 then you only play 30 in the next game.

Some system that balances substitutions so if you only play 30 as a sub, you then get 90, then 60, then 30. Whatever makes sense mathematically to spread the load.

And YES OF COURSE that means that sometimes you cannot select your favourite in-form player, but that is just tough titties to (a) rotate (b) keep all players involved (c) keep all players sharp (d) minimise injuries.

It is too late now, we barely have any players, but before the season we should have been brave and told Romero, Solanke, everyone, that they can only play 90 90 30 or 90 60 30 or whatever mathematics it requires.

And then sometimes we would have to play a game with Dragusin or Davies or Gray but it is only 1 game and then you can go back to Romero.

But you do it scientifically, you take 1 game of pain rather than 20 game absence of Romero.

Even if you don't have a striker and have to play Johnson or Son or Deki or Lankshear or Dragusin as a striker, you don't play Solanke 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 POP! And you don't play Porro 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 POP! And play Romero....
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Easier said than done but the logic is right
 
Bullet said:
We should have implemented a hard rule before the season started e.g. if you play 90 on the weekend, you play max 60 in midweek. Or if you play 90 and 90 then you only play 30 in the next game.

Some system that balances substitutions so if you only play 30 as a sub, you then get 90, then 60, then 30. Whatever makes sense mathematically to spread the load.

And YES OF COURSE that means that sometimes you cannot select your favourite in-form player, but that is just tough titties to (a) rotate (b) keep all players involved (c) keep all players sharp (d) minimise injuries.

It is too late now, we barely have any players, but before the season we should have been brave and told Romero, Solanke, everyone, that they can only play 90 90 30 or 90 60 30 or whatever mathematics it requires.

And then sometimes we would have to play a game with Dragusin or Davies or Gray but it is only 1 game and then you can go back to Romero.

But you do it scientifically, you take 1 game of pain rather than 20 game absence of Romero.

Even if you don't have a striker and have to play Johnson or Son or Deki or Lankshear or Dragusin as a striker, you don't play Solanke 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 POP! And you don't play Porro 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 POP! And play Romero....
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That's kind of what Ange did at the start of the season with rather heavy rotation in both the league cup and EL games.

That started going out the window when the injuries started getting bad and the rotation options became Lankshear, a severely off form Werner, Reguilon, academy players etc.

I think Ange could have done more to rotate in recent months. Accepting playing an off form Werner, playing Reguilon etc. Would it have been better? Maybe...
 
braineclipse said:
That's kind of what Ange did at the start of the season with rather heavy rotation in both the league cup and EL games.

That started going out the window when the injuries started getting bad and the rotation options became Lankshear, a severely off form Werner, Reguilon, academy players etc.

I think Ange could have done more to rotate in recent months. Accepting playing an off form Werner, playing Reguilon etc. Would it have been better? Maybe...
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I'm definitely one that thought we could have leveraged the entire squad better. Only 2 subs used again yesterday. 3 on Wednesday. Proof points that we're quite willing to leave players in that red zone at the end of games, and not use the kids.

I guess the question becomes how do we break the cycle? I don't know whose turn it will be in the next 2 games but I'm certain we'd be shocked if there weren't more injuries around the corner. Brings me back to some early theories on Ange's intensity of play where prior teams have had the injury problems in his early tenure but then come out of the other side to a more robust squad. Is that just a fantasy of can it actually happen at THFC?
 
Muttley said:
I'm definitely one that thought we could have leveraged the entire squad better. Only 2 subs used again yesterday. 3 on Wednesday. Proof points that we're quite willing to leave players in that red zone at the end of games, and not use the kids.

I guess the question becomes how do we break the cycle? I don't know whose turn it will be in the next 2 games but I'm certain we'd be shocked if there weren't more injuries around the corner. Brings me back to some early theories on Ange's intensity of play where prior teams have had the injury problems in his early tenure but then come out of the other side to a more robust squad. Is that just a fantasy of can it actually happen at THFC?
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I think we could have too. Did so well early on, but the last couple of months it's been lacking a bit imo.

Breaking the cycle now looks really difficult. Ange needs short term results and unless we get several players back fairly quickly there aren't really options he trusts.

The upside is that the squad is now looking stronger than it has in years if we exclude injuries. If we had a 2-4 week break now to get players back and get players fresh I really would be optimistic. But breaking out of this cycle is looking really difficult.
 
braineclipse said:
I think we could have too. Did so well early on, but the last couple of months it's been lacking a bit imo.

Breaking the cycle now looks really difficult. Ange needs short term results and unless we get several players back fairly quickly there aren't really options he trusts.

The upside is that the squad is now looking stronger than it has in years if we exclude injuries. If we had a 2-4 week break now to get players back and get players fresh I really would be optimistic. But breaking out of this cycle is looking really difficult.
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You break the cycle by changing some things
If it’s purely wait until everyone is fit, that’s unlikely to happen anytime soon
What you don’t change is who you set up because that’s what’s ingrained. That’s muscle memory
Bug fresh legs even if they are a youth players really wouldn’t hurt. I don’t rate Mainoo as much as many others but he injected an energy into a very lethargic side when he came in. We have youth players on the bench who will at least run.
That sounds so basic I know but it creates impetus. The old Harry Redknapp misquote of “get on the pitch and run around a bit” isnt far wrong where we are at, at the moment
 
Bedfordspurs said:
You break the cycle by changing some things
If it’s purely wait until everyone is fit, that’s unlikely to happen anytime soon
What you don’t change is who you set up because that’s what’s ingrained. That’s muscle memory
Bug fresh legs even if they are a youth players really wouldn’t hurt. I don’t rate Mainoo as much as many others but he injected an energy into a very lethargic side when he came in. We have youth players on the bench who will at least run.
That sounds so basic I know but it creates impetus. The old Harry Redknapp misquote of “get on the pitch and run around a bit” isnt far wrong where we are at, at the moment
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It is this, plus the adjustment to training structures and doing a better job of listening to your medical and fitness department.

Ali Gold was saying that Ange has switched recently to more recuperation days and less of those well known intense training sessions.

The more permanent change needs to be the role of the medical and fitness department. It is now strongly implied that Ange did things his own way and didn't listen to his experts. Not the first manager to know better. If he is going to survive in this job he needs to get more in tune with this department and all the data they hold on the players.

Injuries of the magnitude we've had isn't just about bad luck. It's not that we've been buying crocks either.
 
Muttley said:
It is this, plus the adjustment to training structures and doing a better job of listening to your medical and fitness department.

Ali Gold was saying that Ange has switched recently to more recuperation days and less of those well known intense training sessions.

The more permanent change needs to be the role of the medical and fitness department. It is now strongly implied that Ange did things his own way and didn't listen to his experts. Not the first manager to know better. If he is going to survive in this job he needs to get more in tune with this department and all the data they hold on the players.

Injuries of the magnitude we've had isn't just about bad luck. It's not that we've been buying crocks either.
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I don’t think we will know the reality of what happens as fans
 
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