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ALtottenham_hotspur said:
i know its very much Spurs tinted glasses but how Mason hasnt at least got a call just to be looked at. Doesnt have to start Roy can have a proper look at him in training.
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I think it's a bit early for Mason to be elevated to the England team. It's only some Spurs fans who think that he deserves a chance. My guess is that most fans of other clubs would be pretty outraged if he had been called up. After all, he has only made 5 Premier League appearances in his entire career. And while he has played well (and possibly been our most consistent player in that time), he hasn't done anything really eye-catching and the team as a whole has failed to impress.

Far better that he is given time to establish himself in Tottenham's midfield before worrying about England. Plenty of time for that. And he'll probably need it because he's the kind of player whose value isn't widely noticed at first. A little like Luka Modric in that respect.

Besides, I'd rather that he remained fit and fresh and training with Spurs right now rather than trekking off with England.

camspur said:
Lambert in the squad ahead of Kane, what a f**king joke.
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Again, there's plenty of time for Kane. He's thriving in England's U21s and has yet to compete regularly at PL level.
 
Walcott hahahaha, has played 20 mins in a year, straight back in as he plays for Arsenal, hope he gets injured again

Berahino I'm pleased about, Downing is playing great too currently, but Smalling, Chambers, hahaha ridiculous
 
No one seems to have mentioned that Berahino will be the first ever 100% foreign player to ever play for England. It's been mentioned before with Almunia and a few others and was very much a matter of debate in the papers. Sven supposedly wanted to call Malbranque, Louis Saha, Edu and Cucidcini at one point but was warned not to as it would be to much for England fans at once.

Now no one is batting an eyelid! Not that I think that's a bad thing at all, just suprised no ones brought it up.
 
Craig_J said:
No one seems to have mentioned that Berahino will be the first ever 100% foreign player to ever play for England. It's been mentioned before with Almunia and a few others and was very much a matter of debate in the papers. Sven supposedly wanted to call Malbranque, Louis Saha, Edu and Cucidcini at one point but was warned not to as it would be to much for England fans at once.

Now no one is batting an eyelid! Not that I think that's a bad thing at all, just suprised no ones brought it up.
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Nothing like the same, he came over at 10 as an asylum seeker from a war torn country, if he wants to be English he is. Others were bull****
 
r-u-s-x said:
Nothing like the same, he came over at 10 as an asylum seeker from a war torn country, if he wants to be English he is. Others were bull****
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yh i agree. i suspect if you ask berahino what country he feels he is from, he would say England (although his answer would probably be a bit more complex in reality). Guys like Almunia, Malbranque, Edu, Cudicini, Arteta etc obviously don't feel that they are English. Having said that, if the FA are happy with using them, and if those players do/did qualify based on fifa rules, why not use them. Its pretty common in international football these days anyway, and i think the england fans will eventually become accustomed to these naturalised players.
 
Neymar said:
yh i agree. i suspect if you ask berahino what country he feels he is from, he would say England (although his answer would probably be a bit more complex in reality). Guys like Almunia, Malbranque, Edu, Cudicini, Arteta etc obviously don't feel that they are English. Having said that, if the FA are happy with using them, and if those players do/did qualify based on fifa rules, why not use them. Its pretty common in international football these days anyway, and i think the england fans will eventually become accustomed to these naturalised players.
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Just what's the point, internationals are just that, your country vs an other. **** winning with foreign player's if you do that then what's the point, would rather continue losing (would rather a **** English manager like Roy too)
 
r-u-s-x said:
Just what's the point, internationals are just that, your country vs an other. **** winning with foreign player's if you do that then what's the point, would rather continue losing (would rather a **** English manager like Roy too)
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im with you, in that i would like everyone of our players to feel that england is their nationality. and even for our whole backroom staff to be english too etc. but i think the world is changing now. and i mean the real world, as well as the football world.

there are many many cases like berahino, mo farah etc. the world is getting smaller, and we have many people of dual nationality. the concept of nationality is getting blurier, and so i dont think its such a bad idea just to follow fifa rules regarding national status.

also, it would be nice if everyone in the backroom staff was english too. but in reality thats not feasible. the manager is not really much different to say the physio (in that they are both just non-playing staff members). and to limit a physio(/mediacal staff) to the nation that they are representing can be a dangerous path to go down. the concept of a foreign manager/coach is generally well accepted. we had foreign coaches helping our olympians for example. no-one seemed to really mind there. football managers/coaches are not much different imo
 
Nationality should be about values, feelings and contribution to that country
Not the piece of land your mum happened to be on when her waters broke
 
monkeybarry said:
Nationality should be about values, feelings and contribution to that country
Not the piece of land your mum happened to be on when her waters broke
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exactly. and because these values are so hard to quantify, i'm happy-ish to just accept and use fifa's description of "nationality" when picking our team.
 
Very happy with Berahino call up, lads deserved it. I think Kane hasn't got called up due to lack of Prem games to be honest, he's scored goals in the Europa League and Cup games, but you might as well call up Assombalonga a he's scoring goals in the Championship.
 
Mumorn said:
Very happy with Berahino call up, lads deserved it. I think Kane hasn't got called up due to lack of Prem games to be honest, he's scored goals in the Europa League and Cup games, but you might as well call up Assombalonga a he's scoring goals in the Championship.
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i love kane, but is he really good enough for england?

maybe he is tbf. but for some reason, i feel as if berahino has a better chance of becoming a regular for england in the future than kane does. and for that reason, if we need to make up the numbers, i would rather call up berahino
 
Neymar said:
i love kane, but is he really good enough for england?

maybe he is tbf. but for some reason, i feel as if berahino has a better chance of becoming a regular for england in the future than kane does. and for that reason, if we need to make up the numbers, i would rather call up berahino
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I think quite the opposite.

I think that, in the short term, Berahino is the more obvious choice - not least because he is already a regular in the Premier League and Kane isn't.

But long term, I expect Kane's ceiling to be higher. He doesn't rely so much on physical attributes. Speed over the ground isn't his forte. His art is more subtle and requires deeper understanding. In that respect, he shares similarities with Teddy Sheringham. No offence intended but Berahino's style is two a penny. Kane is a rarer beast altogether.

And for that reason, I think Kane will prove to be a more enduring feature in the England squad than Berahino.
 
Would be a bit silly to call Kane up yet, hopefully he'll score a few on the prem and then a call-up should follow.

However....this discussion is largely redundant as we'll simply play a 38 year old Rooney as lone striker anyway.


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I think the current squad is the manager being the same as every manager before him.

You can not justify picking Smalling (Forms shocking), Carrick (not playing), Townsend (forget last night, hasn't been playing), Lambert (not been playing), Wheelchair (not been playing) Walcott (not been playing).

So what real answer can Roy give for the players that have been picked without game time?? The only one is reputation and that makes a mockery of the job he is suppose to do. What is the point of him being given a salary to go and watch multiple games when you just pick people that are in through reputation, any of us could do that.

And picking the leading English scorer isn't left field, he could do that from the Sun stats section. We should just go left field and give the job to someone like an Eddie Howe or Karl Robinson, someone that will be passionate about the job and do their homework and are good honest coaches. And before people say "what have they done to deserve the job" just look at what playing safe does, humiliated in the World Cup and generally looked at as the worse team and winning a group that is full of minnows, they could do that but do it better in my opinion.
 
Carrick out of the England squad, how was he even in it, hasnt hardly played this season, its ridiculous the players Woy picks just because of who they play for
 
Especially when he refused to take carrick to the euros even though he was playing regularly and well at the time and should have been in the first team let alone the squad.
 
That NFL game at Wembley last sunday surely has taken its toll on the pitch.

Gives England the perfect excuse for playing ****.
 
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