Muttley
Dean Austin
You mean to say Spurs players are being passive aggressive? Like we've never seen that before from our senior players.
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Igor the Interim
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You mean to say Spurs players are being passive aggressive? Like we've never seen that before from our senior players.
Mikey10
Les Ferdinand
Given that there’s only 14 or 15 fit to sail to begin with I’m not sure he’ll be able to throw too many overboard.
Muttley
Dean Austin
Vic, Kinsky, Porro, Spence, Udogie, Souza, Romero, VDV (1 game league suspension), Danso, Dragu, Gray, Biss, Gallagher, Sarr, Palhinha, Simons, Tel, Muani, Richi, Solanke
If (big if) we do have Udogie, Spence, Dragu back for next week's fixtures then he's 20 strong and 18 outfielders.
Problem is, if he then takes it down to less with some tough love then it's a fair wait for Kudus and Bergval.
Mikey10
Les Ferdinand
Kinsky isn’t going to play unless there’s an injury. Is Spence fit? VDV is out for Liverpool. Solanke is nowhere near full speed yet. And Muani is dreadful.
It’s not as if we have an embarrassment of riches. He’s working with limited numbers. There’s not much room for manoeuvre, unfortunately. I’m not sure he can afford to jettison any of them, so telling them they’re s hit didn’t seem the best approach to me.
yiddo37
Tim Sherwood
If there's no sign of improvement on Tuesday in how we're set up, how we compete and how we defend and attack as a team then he has to go simple as.
Now is not the time for experimenting with formations and messing with the players' minds.
We still have 9 league games, plenty of points to play for. As @Mikey10 has said about 'free-hit' games, there should be no such thing at this stage.
I'm not expecting anything from Liverpool and Chelsea away but other teams can get results against them as they put the effort and organisation into it, we need to do the same.
The other 7 games I think we can get a point or 3 points in most of them but not with Tudor in charge as it stands, still baffled at his appointment.
Now is not the time for experimenting with formations and messing with the players' minds.
We still have 9 league games, plenty of points to play for. As @Mikey10 has said about 'free-hit' games, there should be no such thing at this stage.
I'm not expecting anything from Liverpool and Chelsea away but other teams can get results against them as they put the effort and organisation into it, we need to do the same.
The other 7 games I think we can get a point or 3 points in most of them but not with Tudor in charge as it stands, still baffled at his appointment.
Muttley
Dean Austin
Nah, he'll be way more subtle than that. Managers only jettison and deride players in extreme circumstances. More likely, they just find themselves on the bench and if they can't come on and make a big effort then they'll likely to stay on the bench for the next one. There's also training as well. That effort level and body language is massive during the week.
What's also interesting is that there are normally player bonuses for CL knockout stage games. The club gets so much for winning them and that is handed down eventually. It's an additional little motivator for the players. Remembering 2019 when our guys like Eriksen played like kings on weekdays and couldn't be arsed at the weekends.
Robbo
Tom Huddlestone
In that case I'd be tempted to offer PL win bonuses and a big PL survival bonus for the players as well. Not that they deserve it or should need it to put in an effort, but we have to do whatever we can to stay up now.
Then a big clear out in the summer. Get the right players in. No messing around.
Daisuk
Barry Daines
What I don't understand is - with the performance levels we're seeing, why the flying fudge do we have two goalkeepers on the bench?! Where are the youngsters? Sure, it's a gamble to play the likes of Byfield and Williams-Barnett, but how much worse could it get? These guys would at least be hungry and willing to put in a fight for their childhood team. What do we have to lose? Send a message to the squad, get the lumbering negative deadwood out, whoever they are (not Gray, I'm assuming), and throw in the ones willing to fight.
I get that the squad/team is devoid of confidence, I fully understand that, and it obviously makes things really hard - the fear creeps into a collective, and nothing works. Which is why it could be good with some young and hungry faces.
That, and I still wouldn't mind Redknapp coming in. We've got nothing to lose. This ship is going down with the current navigation.
I get that the squad/team is devoid of confidence, I fully understand that, and it obviously makes things really hard - the fear creeps into a collective, and nothing works. Which is why it could be good with some young and hungry faces.
That, and I still wouldn't mind Redknapp coming in. We've got nothing to lose. This ship is going down with the current navigation.
Yiddo
Dimitar Berbatov
Surely changing manager with more new ideas and another formation is going to do the exact same thing?
ricky2tricky4city
Barry Daines
Up to this point I don't think (imo) Tudor has shifted the needle one iota.
At this stage, this is purely a psychological job. They don't need to be learning anything new. If part of this first act is Tudor himself learning 'on the job' ...that's unforgivable not having, or employing, a manager with good/great knowledge on the way in.
They (the players) don't need to be learning new stuff...it's their heads that need sorting.
The rest is back to basics football while you rebuild their brains/emotions
At this stage, this is purely a psychological job. They don't need to be learning anything new. If part of this first act is Tudor himself learning 'on the job' ...that's unforgivable not having, or employing, a manager with good/great knowledge on the way in.
They (the players) don't need to be learning new stuff...it's their heads that need sorting.
The rest is back to basics football while you rebuild their brains/emotions
NaijaSpurs
Cecil Poynton
Appointing a manager who is tied to playing with a back 3 irrespective of who is available is ridiculous. You would have thought we would have learnt from Man utd's mistake.
Against Fulham we had Porro as a centre back and Gray as a wingback WTF.
Against Fulham we had Porro as a centre back and Gray as a wingback WTF.
Is there any reliable sources saying we are looking at pulling the plug.
ricky2tricky4city
Barry Daines
'reliable sources'?.....what the fudge is that?
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
When there's no one steering the ship, you don't get leaks, you just get a shipwreck
braineclipse
Vic Buckingham
Psychology/mentality is intrinsically linked to style of play imo. Belief and confidence being linked to the players really believing in the manager's plan for how he wants them to play. Even the best motivator in the world won't get that motivation out of a group if they think how they're supposed to play isn't right for them.
Part of the problem is that we have had no way of putting out 11 players in something that even resembles a functional unit from a tactical point of view.
Mixed on Tudor himself for this role, as you say he hasn't shifted the needle. He also walked into a super difficult job where getting that needle shift was always going to be a real challenge.
Left hoping that players returning to action making the difference I guess.
braineclipse
Vic Buckingham
That's how he's gotten results short term elsewhere.
We actually have full backs who also have experience playing as wing backs. We have centre backs who also have experience playing in a back three and who on paper at least look suited to that.
Problem has been that both those full/wing backs and the best centre back hasn't been available. I think that would have been a real issue regardless of the system.
We're also in a situation where the closest thing we have to a fit winger is Tel (who isn't really a traditional winger as such imo). Having wingers would be part of a back to basics back 4 type setup. Even more so as we're about as short on creativity in midfield as it's possible to be.
Hopefully he's learned some important things about the players he has available so far. And hopefully some players returning will be able to have a positive impact.
He got those results in Italy with players more used to that system.
We're playing midfielders and full backs out of position in a back 3 that they have never played in before. Not only is it a back 3 but it's one where the LCB and RCB are supposed to get forward more. That's a recipe for disaster.
Also, having a traditional winger isn't a prerequisite to playing a back 4. A 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 doesn't use traditional wingers. Both would suit the players available.
Being short of creativity in midfield is a big problem, so why then would you take Gray, the best passer in midfield that we have available, and put him in any position besides CM?
Tudors set up of the team has been a joke.
ricky2tricky4city
Barry Daines
Just to note ....
Porro the WB/FB he's played at RCB
Traditional wingers (if that's what he wants) are a dying breed anyway. Wide forwards or inverting widemen are much more common. Tel is one of them.
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Dude has to play to the strengths of what he has in the current scenario. His ideas won't have time to bed.