I liked Erik Lamela before it was cool

[SpurMeUp]

No, I think Townsend earned a start yesterday after a good game against Saudi Sportswashing Machine, he may or may not have scored (I'm pretty certain Townsend has scored more goals outside the area in his career) but he would definitely have been more of a threat in wide areas and we'd have seen more crosses from the right, and with his pace and stamina we'd have been a MUCH bigger threat on the counter attack when we were under pressure in the second half.

I like to play Minecraft sometimes to help me bond with my nephew, and I know that if I find some iron ore, I can melt it down into iron ingots and make a pick axe out of them - for a while I've seen the basic raw materials out of which a great player can be formed in Kane - I just don't see them at all with Lamela. A great left foot... and what else exactly?

I'm happy for you. Keep mining and producing those axes to grind.

Townsend may have done well against a tiring team as a sub agreed, but a couple of things don't add up.

1. What else does Lamela bring? ...erm his goal yesterday? Was it a fluke? No. He almost score another like it minutes before. Also on target it took a good save to deny him. Now go and watch Townsend's strikes on goal. The only thing consistent about them is that they tend to be wild and off target.

2. If Lamela's goal is not sufficient. The chances he created by being able to shimmy one way as though he was going to cut in but then go to the line. Townsend relies on pace, and doesn't have quite the same ability on the ball.

3. Lamla has had the 'basic raw materials' of a good footballer since age 7. The football world has been making videos, signing him up etc. But maybe these professinoals who are paid to know, can't see basic raw materials where you can?

 

[SpurMeUp]

i dont like it when we have to resort to demeaning our own players just to prop up others that we like

to answer those two questions

Yes and Yes. Because believe it or not Townsend has actually created and scored goals as a senior player. why wouldnt he be able to do it again?

There are only 11 places up for grabs, if you're not playing Lamela who would you play? Townsend can develop and has had one or two really good performances, but if you're telling me Townsend has an accurate shot, or can dribble as comfortably as Lamela, then I would question your powers of observation.

 

[braineclipse]

i dont like it when we have to resort to demeaning our own players just to prop up others that we like

to answer those two questions

Yes and Yes. Because believe it or not Townsend has actually created and scored goals as a senior player. why wouldnt he be able to do it again?

I agree. But to some extent comparisons between players that are options for the same position are inevitable.

Lamela did well yesterday. Better than Townsend has done in any game in a very long time imo.

No, I think Townsend earned a start yesterday after a good game against Saudi Sportswashing Machine, he may or may not have scored (I'm pretty certain Townsend has scored more goals outside the area in his career) but he would definitely have been more of a threat in wide areas and we'd have seen more crosses from the right, and with his pace and stamina we'd have been a MUCH bigger threat on the counter attack when we were under pressure in the second half.

I like to play Minecraft sometimes to help me bond with my nephew, and I know that if I find some iron ore, I can melt it down into iron ingots and make a pick axe out of them - for a while I've seen the basic raw materials out of which a great player can be formed in Kane - I just don't see them at all with Lamela. A great left foot... and what else exactly?

Wait? Even with the hindsight that Lamela scored our winner and played well you're not happy that he started?

Townsend has more stamina than Lamela? Since when?

 

[Bonsaiboy]

I'm happy for you. Keep mining and producing those axes to grind.

Townsend may have done well against a tiring team as a sub agreed, but a couple of things don't add up.

1. What else does Lamela bring? ...erm his goal yesterday? Was it a fluke? No. He almost score another like it minutes before. Also on target it took a good save to deny him. Now go and watch Townsend's strikes on goal. The only thing consistent about them is that they tend to be wild and off target.

2. If Lamela's goal is not sufficient. The chances he created by being able to shimmy one way as though he was going to cut in but then go to the line. Townsend relies on pace, and doesn't have quite the same ability on the ball.

3. Lamla has had the 'basic raw materials' of a good footballer since age 7. The football world has been making videos, signing him up etc. But maybe these professinoals who are paid to know, can't see basic raw materials where you can?

1) It wasn't a fluke no, but Lamela only has one type of shot, a medium paced curler with his left instep. Townsend has a greater variety to his shot and can use his right as well - go on Youtube if you don't believe me. Are we going to be equal and talk about all of Lamela's shots that have missed as well or do we only do that for Townsend?

2) Pace and power are more effective in this league, and Lamela's close control and dribbling isn't comparable with, say, Robben or Hazard. There have been numerous times, including in the game yesterday, where Lamela has been caught in the box flaffing around trying to beat people in the box.

3) Freddy Adu.

 

[Bonsaiboy]

I agree. But to some extent comparisons between players that are options for the same position are inevitable.

Lamela did well yesterday. Better than Townsend has done in any game in a very long time imo.



Wait? Even with the hindsight that Lamela scored our winner and played well you're not happy that he started?

Townsend has more stamina than Lamela? Since when?

No, it was downright bad management from Poch to start Lamela - he'd been woeful in a number of games and Townsend came in and did well against Saudi Sportswashing Machine - and he was still full of running at the end of that game and Lamela was anonymous in the 2nd half yesterday.

 

[SpurMeUp]

1) It wasn't a fluke no, but Lamela only has one type of shot, a medium paced curler with his left instep. Townsend has a greater variety to his shot and can use his right as well - go on Youtube if you don't believe me. Are we going to be equal and talk about all of Lamela's shots that have missed as well or do we only do that for Townsend?

2) Pace and power are more effective in this league, and Lamela's close control and dribbling isn't comparable with, say, Robben or Hazard. There have been numerous times, including in the game yesterday, where Lamela has been caught in the box flaffing around trying to beat people in the box.

3) Freddy Adu.

You're right if you meant Townsend has a variety of wide shots...from row z through most of the terracing. I do like him as well, but he's not in the first team ahead of Lamela for a reason. That reason is simple. Lamela is a better player.

 

[milo]

1) It wasn't a fluke no, but Lamela only has one type of shot, a medium paced curler with his left instep. Townsend has a greater variety to his shot and can use his right as well - go on Youtube if you don't believe me. Are we going to be equal and talk about all of Lamela's shots that have missed as well or do we only do that for Townsend?

I suggest that you have a look at the goals he has scored this season because I can think of two goals at least which didn't come from a medium paced curler with his left instep.

 

[Mulletperm]

1) It wasn't a fluke no, but Lamela only has one type of shot, a medium paced curler with his left instep. Townsend has a greater variety to his shot and can use his right as well - go on Youtube if you don't believe me. Are we going to be equal and talk about all of Lamela's shots that have missed as well or do we only do that for Townsend?

2) Pace and power are more effective in this league, and Lamela's close control and dribbling isn't comparable with, say, Robben or Hazard. There have been numerous times, including in the game yesterday, where Lamela has been caught in the box flaffing around trying to beat people in the box.

3) Freddy Adu.

Utter nonsense.

 

[Bonsaiboy]

I suggest that you have a look at the goals he has scored this season because I can think of two goals at least which didn't come from a medium paced curler with his left instep.

A shot outside the area I'm referring to. I've never seen Lamela hit through a football.

 

[milo]

A shot outside the area I'm referring to. I've never seen Lamela hit through a football.

He's still finding his feet in the English game. I'd feel more comfortable judging what he can and cannot do at the end of the season but yesterday was a promising step in the right direction.

 

[Bonsaiboy]

I'm gonna provide the following evidence to show Townsend's superior technical ability to strike a football.

The first minute or so shows five Andros Townsend goals, and I am saying that Lamela does not have the technical ability to score four out five of them, because Townsend either hits through/across the ball or used his right foot - things Lamela is not capable of doing. If you disagree with this, produce counter evidence.

[video=youtube;3wEH6eQjkrQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wEH6eQjkrQ[/video]

Both Kane and Townsend can hit though/across a football with either foot and it again leaves me asking why we paid £30 million for someone who can't even do it with his strongest foot!

 

[braineclipse]

No, it was downright bad management from Poch to start Lamela - he'd been woeful in a number of games and Townsend came in and did well against Saudi Sportswashing Machine - and he was still full of running at the end of that game and Lamela was anonymous in the 2nd half yesterday.

Not sure what's worse. Being unhappy that the match winner in our last game started the game or focusing exclusively on the negatives after one of our players that's struggled finally gets his first league goal and plays arguably his best league game for us.

 

[NWND]

1) It wasn't a fluke no, but Lamela only has one type of shot, a medium paced curler with his left instep. Townsend has a greater variety to his shot and can use his right as well - go on Youtube if you don't believe me. Are we going to be equal and talk about all of Lamela's shots that have missed as well or do we only do that for Townsend?

2) Pace and power are more effective in this league, and Lamela's close control and dribbling isn't comparable with, say, Robben or Hazard. There have been numerous times, including in the game yesterday, where Lamela has been caught in the box flaffing around trying to beat people in the box.

3) Freddy Adu.

Lamela only has one type of shot? :ross: :ross: :ross:

 

[billyiddo]

What a strange thing to get caught up on

 

[NWND]

Not sure what's worse. Being unhappy that the match winner in our last game started the game or focusing exclusively on the negatives after one of our players that's struggled finally gets his first league goal and plays arguably his best league game for us.

It's sad isn't it. What makes it even more pathetic is that if you defend a player under massive attack and point out a few facts, like he is one of our most productive players this season in terms of goals, assists and chances created, you are a 'lamela fan-boy' when all you're trying to do is give the lad a chance.

I don't rate Paulinho one bit, but when he had his great game against Stoke, i wouldn't have dreamt of coming on here laying into him after a great performance.

 

[Jordinho]

I'm gonna provide the following evidence to show Townsend's superior technical ability to strike a football.

Not much use when he can't get it on target and struggles with how you play 11 a-side football.

 

[NWND]

You're right about Townsend having a greater variety of shot though. In and amongst shots that end up in the back of the net (mostly for England) there are shots into row Z, shots into row Y, shots into row X, shots into row W etc...

 

[harr1984]

I used to wonder before I joined this site why other fans call Spurs fans fickle. Soldado scores but he came close to missing so that's not good enough, and now we see Lamela scoring a great goal but he shouldn't of started and doesn't have varied enough types of shot?! Honestly...


Sitting on my porcelain throne using Fapatalk

 

[NWND]

I'm gonna provide the following evidence to show Townsend's superior technical ability to strike a football.

The first minute or so shows five Andros Townsend goals, and I am saying that Lamela does not have the technical ability to score four out five of them, because Townsend either hits through/across the ball or used his right foot - things Lamela is not capable of doing. If you disagree with this, produce counter evidence.

[video=youtube;3wEH6eQjkrQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wEH6eQjkrQ[/video]

Both Kane and Townsend can hit though/across a football with either foot and it again leaves me asking why we paid £30 million for someone who can't even do it with his strongest foot!

Hahahaha can I take it that you are claiming that basically, Lamela is unable to strike a football? That's how it reads.

 

[Cochise]

Calm down Bonsaiboy and stop being a blind Fanboy. Both players have their strengths and weaknesses and despite all the talk of Townsend's striking ability, he still has nowhere near the amount of goals he should have from the shots on goal he has taken.

Townsend has technique I'll agree, but even if you have all the technique in the world, without a decent footballing brain you are nothing. Townsend is an example of a player who suffers from this crippling ailment, Lamela for all the hate he gets from you does not and it is a reason why he is favoured by Poch. Townsend is an instincive player, he does what he has no doubt been encouraged and trained to do, which is to beat a man. Unfortunately all to often he takes that option before assessing all the team's options and it can lead to moves breaking down. Even in that video above he makes poor decision's where he takes on shots and dribbles where a simple pass to a better positioned player was on.