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I am a little worried

Jimmy-g said:
We don't have Capoue yet and everyone says that Paulie is box to box not a DM, time will tell its going to be exciting.
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Dembele can quite easily play defensive midfield as he pretty much played there at times last season. Paulinho has played defensively for the national side as instructed by Scolari. Capoue is close and if we don't sign him we'll most likely sign a defensive minded player based on the fact we got rid of Livermore/Parker/Hudd.
 
Mumorn said:
Dembele can quite easily play defensive midfield as he pretty much played there at times last season. Paulinho has played defensively for the national side as instructed by Scolari. Capoue is close and if we don't sign him we'll most likely sign a defensive minded player based on the fact we got rid of Livermore/Parker/Hudd.
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Exactly.

I will agree that there's a slight worry going into the first couple of games of the season with Sandro still recovering, Capoue still not signed and Paulinho fresh from Brazil and perhaps not quite ready for a DM role for us quite yet.

Keeping Parker would probably cost us a considerable amount of money. His valuation would likely drop somewhat significantly just until January and his wages would cost us as well. Ultimately the rather small benefit to keeping him around primarily just for the first games must be weighed up against the cost of keeping him around. The cost could potentially finance a new Baldini youngster special signing or it could be put towards one of the many exciting potential signings we're already linked to.
 
AdamB said:
We've signed Brazilian, Spanish and Belgian internationals with a French international on his way. 1 is at his peak, 3 still ahve room to improve before they hit their peak years

We've sold a slow, English CM who failed to realise his potential, loaned out a technically limited young CM, about to sell an old CM, potentially might sell a CF who also failed to realise his potential and is 30 and sold a young CB for an outstanding price.

Net result: We've had excellent summer so far
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I'm anxious, but not the reasons Jimmy listed. We've got very good squad now but the sexy side of me thinks we will find a way to let another 7 or 8 point lead slip over the scum.
 
i agree with the original poster

too much change too soon if we continue the churning of personell at this rate

continuity and chemistry and probably the most important traits for a team dynamic in most sports

plus i think thudd offers something different, i think parker knows his place and therefore for his role he was an excellent member of the squad when your first choice is injured or if you wanted to play a different type of game

we cant be sure what the team dynamic is now...all we can hope for is that its as good or better than before.
 
Mumorn said:
Dembele can quite easily play defensive midfield as he pretty much played there at times last season. Paulinho has played defensively for the national side as instructed by Scolari. Capoue is close and if we don't sign him we'll most likely sign a defensive minded player based on the fact we got rid of Livermore/Parker/Hudd.
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no he cant. you can 'put' or 'place' him there and he could quite easily 'do a job' .....but he cant play defensive mid to the level of parker
 
billyiddo said:
what consistency? the summer Redknapp left we pretty much started a fresh slate - a new coach came in who has a different approach to the game and key players to the previous teams style moved on. we played out AVBs first season with an unbalanced side lacking quality in reserve - we are now addressing that by hopefully giving the current manager a squad of players suited to his game




don't understand this either
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but there was no different approach. AVB said as much. the style he played was very similar to that of redknapp's the only difference is he eventually settled on bale as central attacking player...which was the direction bale was headed to anyway.

the style we played was consistent and the personell didnt change too much...but the loss in quality was big though....but not too much personell changes

and how can people say we didnt have quality in reserve?
 
africanspurs said:
i agree with the original poster

too much change too soon if we continue the churning of personell at this rate

continuity and chemistry and probably the most important traits for a team dynamic in most sports

plus i think thudd offers something different, i think parker knows his place and therefore for his role he was an excellent member of the squad when your first choice is injured or if you wanted to play a different type of game

we cant be sure what the team dynamic is now...all we can hope for is that its as good or better than before.
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Apart from Parker, the players on the way out (or already gone) were fringe players. I do not think that there is any issue with too much change because most of the players on their way out were not going to feature much this year anyway. A far bigger risk to the club would have been if we had a load of players who were not in the manager's plans taking up wages and not playing.
 
Mumorn said:
yet last season he played deeper than Parker?
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that is factually incorrect. you are going to tell me that dembele was the guy just staying constantly in front of the back four while parker was the main guy of the two hanging around the centre third and playing into the final third?

you cant just make stuff up when you feel like it. I'll get obsessed with you and this point if you do LOL

infact...havent you got some kind of access to one of those chalk board things where it give average positions? if you do i would like you or someone else to post that here...lets see the proof that dembele played behind parker, covered for him, and was the defensive lynchpin while parker did the duty of box to box orchestrator

you realise you just said that parker was running our midfield when he played....? for a team that bagged 72 points? why are we selling that guy for 3.5 if thats the case?
 
milo said:
What position do you think he played last season?
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who dembele? that man was a box to box player. just cause he can wrangle a ball off of a silver back doesnt mean he played defensive mid...what is happening here.

i think i am going crazy. so what your saying is that between parker and dembele...or sandro and dembele...dembele was the defensive mid?
 
africanspurs said:
that is factually incorrect. you are going to tell me that dembele was the guy just staying constantly in front of the back four while parker was the main guy of the two hanging around the centre third and playing into the final third?

you cant just make stuff up when you feel like it. I'll get obsessed with you and this point if you do LOL

infact...havent you got some kind of access to one of those chalk board things where it give average positions? if you do i would like you or someone else to post that here...lets see the proof that dembele played behind parker, covered for him, and was the defensive lynchpin while parker did the duty of box to box orchestrator

you realise you just said that parker was running our midfield when he played....? for a team that bagged 72 points? why are we selling that guy for 3.5 if thats the case?
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what are you talking about. Not one single player sat infront of our back four last year, not even Sandro. That is factually correct.

Go watch a Tottenham game from last season, Parker was playing box to box. Dembele was the one covering him all the time and played deeper of the two. Will we play with a "DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER" to sit there and screen? fudge no, we never done it last year and we probably won't this year.
 
africanspurs said:
i agree with the original poster

too much change too soon if we continue the churning of personell at this rate

continuity and chemistry and probably the most important traits for a team dynamic in most sports

plus i think thudd offers something different, i think parker knows his place and therefore for his role he was an excellent member of the squad when your first choice is injured or if you wanted to play a different type of game

we cant be sure what the team dynamic is now...all we can hope for is that its as good or better than before.
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Me too. Wholesale squad changes taking place now.

a) We have lost the known quantities for back up players. Some may be pleased with this because they didn't rate them, but these back up players were intricate in our recent league finishes. The new back up players may not be anywhere near as good. We just don't know yet.

b) Team morale has been good the last few years (barring a brief period under Ramos, who did the same thing that is happening now) and a lot of that was down to a settled squad. There was an English core that has been there for a period of time. Looks like that core is now being dismantled and we await to see what effect that has on other players.

c) If you introduce more than two new first team players to any team you are taking a risk. We already have three that are almost certain to walk into the first team and appear to be after more......
 
milo said:
Apart from Parker, the players on the way out (or already gone) were fringe players. I do not think that there is any issue with too much change because most of the players on their way out were not going to feature much this year anyway. A far bigger risk to the club would have been if we had a load of players who were not in the manager's plans taking up wages and not playing.
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you act like football is only played by the 1st 11 on a match day. there is a whole world that we are not privy too...and all that adds towards team chemistry and preparation

not to mention that the names leaving all seemed to feature quite a good amount in matches anyway. BAE, Thudd, PArker, Ade, defoe......all these guys had good big minutes for us. they may have been fringe players but its not like they were from the reserve squad with no input into the first team.

these are guys that we leaned on ...hard sometimes...to get us through matches. we are dumping like 8 players altogether if all the rumours come to pass and replacing them with a load of people from different leagues and nationalities. This is some serious churning

and all this without even mentioning bale
 
Spursalot said:
I think people get confused. In the first half of the season Dembele played forwards, second half he played as the DM. Much to everyone's chagrin.
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Stats show otherwise. His positioning didn't change from one half to the other. What did change is that Parker got forward more. Dembele pretty much plays in the centre, not really getting far back enough to be in the defensive role, not really getting forward enough to play in the attacking third. He is a dribbler, rather than a passer, but he is the new Jamie Redknapp in terms of where he plays on the pitch. He doesn't get around the pitch much at all.
 
milo said:
Apart from Parker, the players on the way out (or already gone) were fringe players. I do not think that there is any issue with too much change because most of the players on their way out were not going to feature much this year anyway. A far bigger risk to the club would have been if we had a load of players who were not in the manager's plans taking up wages and not playing.
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yep and with the way Parkers declined last season, imv, it would have been too big of a drop in quality to go from Sandro to him for any length of games this season.


africanspurs said:
but there was no different approach. AVB said as much. the style he played was very similar to that of redknapp's the only difference is he eventually settled on bale as central attacking player...which was the direction bale was headed to anyway.

the style we played was consistent and the personell didnt change too much...but the loss in quality was big though....but not too much personell changes

and how can people say we didnt have quality in reserve?
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last summer saw the arrival of 4 new first team players (as well as Sigurdsson) and the outgoings of 3 first team players (and a further 4 squad players)


that's a turnaround of 12 players from Redknapps squad

the season prior to that (11/12) also saw a turnaround of 12 players (3 coming in to the first team and 9 leaving the squad)

so far this summer we've had 6 leave and 3 come in - we appear to be on track to be at the same magic number of 12 come the end of the window.


http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/tottenham-hotspur/transfers-alle/verein_148.html
 
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