Hugo Lloris

[harr1984]

I think Winks is one who’ll be seriously tinkled off with the situation, now he’s been dropped by England and Southgate calling out directly he’s not playing in ‘League’ games now. Not sure if he’s one to down tools, but I’m sure he’ll be seething.

I think ‘entitled’ is definitely the right word to describe some of these players. The problem is most of them have been together too long, having not ‘achieved’ anything while they’ve been here, be it medals or superstar wages, and they’re all fed up with the sight of each other now.

Well if Winks is tinkled off he doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Any decent player would show why he should be playing when he gets the chance, and he’s shown himself to be average way too often.

You are right about the squad, it’s not just that a lot of these players are average - it’s that they have been here a long time and not achieved anything, the motivation isn’t there they are too comfortable in their surroundings. Lloris,Dier,Sissoko,Lamela,Toby etc Really is time to start a new cycle now....

 

[DaveT316]

Well if Winks is tinkled off he doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Any decent player would show why he should be playing when he gets the chance, and he’s shown himself to be average way too often.

You are right about the squad, it’s not just that a lot of these players are average - it’s that they have been here a long time and not achieved anything, the motivation isn’t there they are too comfortable in their surroundings. Lloris,Dier,Sissoko,Lamela,Toby etc Really is time to start a new cycle now....

Sounds about right. I’m not saying he has any right to - in fact I agree, he’s been bang average when picked - I just feel, given his grumbling a few months back, he’ll be angry now he’s out of the England squad.

Bring on the extremely painful rebuild...Shifting these players is going to be very, very hard, given their performances and lack of money sloshing around the leagues post Covid.

 

[braineclipse]

I'm not saying players don't need a kick up the ass, there are several that do and need to be got rid of it we can. But in general, calling people out in public leads to a different reaction than doing it in private. If you're called out in front of a load of people you're more likely to fight back, do it in private calmly and the reaction might be better. Of course, different people react differently to these things.

If it hasn't already been done repeatedly in private what's going on?

There comes a point where going public is the right thing imo. I think we've reached that point. Time for the players to respond or be on their way.

 

[DubSpur]

If it hasn't already been done repeatedly in private what's going on?

There comes a point where going public is the right thing imo. I think we've reached that point. Time for the players to respond or be on their way.

Fair point, maybe it has been done and not worked. We'll never know.
The problem is getting those players on their way, I hope we can but I think we won't offload many in the transfer window.

 

[DaveT316]

I don’t usually find him that insightful but this is v true from Alasdair Gold and related to the recent points made here:

“As Spurs revert to having mostly just one game a week, those who were playing mostly in European games will now barely play at all and they can kiss their hopes of international football this summer goodbye.”

 

[Baleforce]

If they can't get in an international team they don't deserve a place in a PL one.

 

[AdamB]

I don’t usually find him that insightful but this is v true from Alasdair Gold and related to the recent points made here:

“As Spurs revert to having mostly just one game a week, those who were playing mostly in European games will now barely play at all and they can kiss their hopes of international football this summer goodbye.”

Yes, I was thinking that this morning. The likes of Dele, Winks, Vinicius, Doherty, Bergwijn, Rodon have probably played their final game of the season. Dier might get a few minutes, similar Sissoko but not great for a few players

 

[90291Spur]

I don’t usually find him that insightful but this is v true from Alasdair Gold and related to the recent points made here:

“As Spurs revert to having mostly just one game a week, those who were playing mostly in European games will now barely play at all and they can kiss their hopes of international football this summer goodbye.”

I know I don’t have the deep wisdom of Ali Gold but it strikes me that there might be another option for such players. They could knuckle down, work as hard as they can and try and get in the team.

 

[DaveT316]

I know I don’t have the deep wisdom of Ali Gold but it strikes me that there might be another option for such players. They could knuckle down, work as hard as they can and try and get in the team.

Certainly a good idea in theory. I’m not sure Jose will feel he can trust them though, having seen a lot of them dump them out of the cup!

 

[90291Spur]

Certainly a good idea in theory. I’m not sure Jose will feel he can trust them though, having seen a lot of them dump them out of the cup!

Jose is a vindictive, spiteful turd and has it within his rotten core to freeze players out. But if some of the fringe players give their all in training he might have no choice but to okay them to save his job.

 

[billyiddo]

Anyone questioning why Hugo is captain needs to watch this. That is an outstanding interview. He isn't grandstanding or playing to the crowd there. That's a man who is angry, hurt and disappointed in himself, his club, his manager and his team mates. Giving that interview in his second language makes it even more incredible.

The answers were articulate, honest and considered. You can see him pausing before each answer. Hats off to him. Sadly, we clearly have big problems behind the scenes.

Read someone make the point that he's there pointing the finger at the squad players for failing tonturn up in this game but where have has the finger pointing been when the first team has failed to turn up time and time again this season? If I'm one of the squad players being singled out last night as a problem after the first team turned in that level of performance we saw in the NLD I'm then seeing double standards

 

[DeanoAustin]

Read someone make the point that he's there pointing the finger at the squad players for failing tonturn up in this game but where have has the finger pointing been when the first team has failed to turn up time and time again this season? If I'm one of the squad players being singled out last night as a problem after the first team turned in that level of performance we saw in the NLD I'm then seeing double standards

It's a fair point. Dunno if Hugo was interviewed after the NLD. The only counter-argument I'd make, and it doesn't fully counter your point, is that on the spinlessness scale, last night was even worse than the NLD. And the NLD was shockingly bad. To deservedly lose a 2-0 lead to a team that you are better than in those circumstances thereby potentially ending our season is unforgivable. He did also point the finger at himself and the likes of Sanchez, Reguilon, Kane, Bale, Lamela, Mourinho and others who are first team or very close to it.

 

[90291Spur]

From things I’ve read and listened to, the captain is the team representative in a number of spheres. So Hugo speaking as candidly as he did after The Zagreb Debacle seems significant. It might suggest that there is a group of players wanting to get this message out, this luxury hostage video. He speaks to problems from top to bottom at the club, the most important for us, being the lack of togetherness of the squad. And while we would love it if our players were self motivated enough to raise their game, we clearly don’t have that. And I don’t doubt that there will be lots of chatter within the club about what he said.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I know I don’t have the deep wisdom of Ali Gold but it strikes me that there might be another option for such players. They could knuckle down, work as hard as they can and try and get in the team.

Imagine millionaire footballers working at an acceptable level to earn their £££

 

[Finney Is Back]

I think it's a car crash of an interview, along with the incident with Son, his drink driving, and being crap this is why Hugo shouldn't be captain. Yes, he's obviously hurt but this should all be done behind closed doors. This isn't going to achieve anything except cause further issues in the dressing room.

If players aren't training properly or are causing problems why hasn't he as captain or other senior players done something about it? A proper leader would have sorted it out behind closed doors before it got to this stage and we are sorely lacking them. There's no way someone like Roy Keane would accept players not training properly and we don't have that type of character in the squad.

It also reflects poorly on Mourinho. If he has an unsettled squad that's splintered and he has been unable to address it for whatever reason he is probably not going to be able to turn this around and is a dead man walking.

I agree on the drink driving, no excuse there, but the incident with Son is what we've needed from our captain for years! Hugo was right to go mental at Son that day for a lack of effort. Son could see that ball wasn't getting to him but continued his run anyway so that he wouldn't have to make a sprint back to cover the defence.

Regarding your second paragraph. None of us know what has happened behind the scenes, maybe Lloris has tried to do something about it? Maybe it's still not happening?

Everything reflects poorly on Mourinho at the moment unfortunately. We are a team bereft of shape, tactics, patterns of play, effort and passion.

 

[parklane1]

No one let Hugo down and he’s the personification of what is wrong with our club. Good rep, talks a good game and can look great at times but then folds when it really matters. It must be difficult for a player to take a captain seriously when he can make match defining mistakes, let alone on a professional level when they’ve been done for drink driving.

He has been past it for a while now and has shown it on a number of occasions. As for being our captain that was always a joke, you need a player who is in the middle of a game where he can influence, gonad, cajole those around him. I really hope that Poch comes in for him at the end of the season.

 

[parklane1]

The clubs rotten

doesn’t sound like he’s lost the changing room, sounds like he’s lost some of the players not playing who have decided to sulk instead of fighting for a place.

Sound a lot like what happened to Poch at the end, the squad has to many players who do not give a damn. It cost us the best manager we have had in a while and the poison is still there in some.

 

[parklane1]

Well if Winks is tinkled off he doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Any decent player would show why he should be playing when he gets the chance, and he’s shown himself to be average way too often.

You are right about the squad, it’s not just that a lot of these players are average - it’s that they have been here a long time and not achieved anything, the motivation isn’t there they are too comfortable in their surroundings. Lloris,Dier,Sissoko,Lamela,Toby etc Really is time to start a new cycle now....

My maths may not be spot on but i worked out that in last nights team ( with subs) there were 14 players who were here under Poch and a few of them downed tools and got him sacked. Sad to say its the same players who seem to not give a brick once again under Jose. Someone said earlier that the dressing room is toxic, and until we move those that think they are better then they are they will not only have helped the best manager we have had in a while( Poch) sacked they will do the same again.

 

[parklane1]

I know I don’t have the deep wisdom of Ali Gold but it strikes me that there might be another option for such players. They could knuckle down, work as hard as they can and try and get in the team.

I agree, trouble is some of them players have been the reason Poch got sacked and now are turning in the same brick performances under Jose.

 

[billyiddo]

A new manager coming in with the benefit of a part season to evaluate the squad should have been able to sort the wheat from the chaff by now - can't be using it as an excuse 17 months in.

If these players were a problem for Poch's last year in charge and are still a problem now then they were sure as hell a problem during the last 3 windows that Mourinho has been here and yet here they still are...