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Hugo Lloris

Millsy_Yiddo said:
Do you really really think that a highly trained doctor who could potentially go to jail for gross neglegence had something more serious happened to Lloris based his decision on the fact that Lloris said, 'I'm fine lads, let me carry on'?

I accept it may not have been perfect and there may be an element of bending the truth post game, but had the medical staff really felt that the player is in serious serious danger then he would have been taken off. He wasn't and everything was shown to be ok.
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No, I don't think he said any such thing; I think he said, "My advice is get him off and get him under obs." However, what is obvious is that there was no clear protocol in place, such that that decision would overrule anything else. There was confusion, and things were allowed to ride. As you've already acknowledged yourself, a slow bleed need not produce any symptoms at all initially, so nobody, not the doctor, not Lloris himself, nor anybody else, was in a position to make a judgment on the level of risk involved in those few moments.
 
mudshark said:
No, I don't think he said any such thing; I think he said, "My advice is get him off and get him under obs." However, what is obvious is that there was no clear protocol in place, such that that decision would overrule anything else. There was confusion, and things were allowed to ride. As you've already acknowledged yourself, a slow bleed need not produce any symptoms at all initially, so nobody, not the doctor, not Lloris himself, nor anybody else, was in a position to make a judgment on the level of risk involved in those few moments.
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To me Millsy is correct though. Yes a slow bleed is possible but the medics made the call that, while they would like to get him off as a precaution, he was lucid and very, very unlikely to have any serious injury. Had they had any inclination that it was serious or that Hugo wasn't right, he would have been off. Had they had that had a sniff of such a scenario on Sunday, they'd have gone to AVB and said to him "That fella could be in a coma if you don't act" and AVB would have subbed him because he knows the consequences of allowing that to happen. They would be catastrophic for Lloris, AVB and Spurs. You can be sure that the medics knew that the chances of a serious injury were miniscule and that's why it played out as it did.

Like I said earlier in this thread, if you withdraw players on the basis that there is any risk that there could be a slow bleed or something similar then you'll have a lot more forced substitutions and the vast majority of them will ultimately turn out to be needless.
 
It has happened a lot more recently than Paul Ince btw.

In fact to Everton themselves. Does anyone remember the other week, Lukaku scoring that headed goal but being knocked spark out in the process?

He eventually got up and carried on to the end of the game (which was longer than was left in our game for Hugo) and no-one batted an eyelid or caused an uproar like in this instance.

Is it just goalies then? :-k
 
stinkfoot said:
It has happened a lot more recently than Paul Ince btw.

In fact to Everton themselves. Does anyone remember the other week, Lukaku scoring that headed goal but being knocked spark out in the process?

He eventually got up and carried on to the end of the game (which was longer than was left in our game for Hugo) and no-one batted an eyelid or caused an uproar like in this instance.

Is it just goalies then? :-k
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i heard someone else mention Lukaku at West Spam

he was unconscious for a little while, but got up and was allowed to carry on and like you say noone made a big deal about it

and actually, id say it was far more serious for him to carry on because he is an out field player, a striker at that, and its highly likely he would have headed the ball at least once after being knocked out previously and thus would have been at greater risk surely!
 
Goalkeeper bumps head. Goalkeeper unconscious for a minute. Goalkeeper gets up and tells medics he feels fine to continue. Trained, competent and qualified medics examine him and agree. Subsequent scan shows no concussion and that medics and goalkeeper therefore correct.
In other news, cat stuck in tree.
 
Cotswold said:
Goalkeeper bumps head. Goalkeeper unconscious for a minute. Goalkeeper gets up and tells medics he feels fine to continue. Trained, competent and qualified medics examine him and agree. Subsequent scan shows no concussion and that medics and goalkeeper therefore correct.
In other news, cat stuck in tree.
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THFC lambasted for planting tree without consulting Society of Hackney Felines on suitable location.
 
Cotswold said:
Goalkeeper bumps head. Goalkeeper unconscious for a minute. Goalkeeper gets up and tells medics he feels fine to continue. Trained, competent and qualified medics examine him and agree. Subsequent scan shows no concussion and that medics and goalkeeper therefore correct.
In other news, cat stuck in tree.
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For trained qualified competent medics who agreed he was ok they seemed mightily confused about which direction he needed to go to get back in goal.
 
DeanoAustin said:
To me Millsy is correct though. Yes a slow bleed is possible but the medics made the call that, while they would like to get him off as a precaution, he was lucid and very, very unlikely to have any serious injury. Had they had any inclination that it was serious or that Hugo wasn't right, he would have been off. Had they had that had a sniff of such a scenario on Sunday, they'd have gone to AVB and said to him "That fella could be in a coma if you don't act" and AVB would have subbed him because he knows the consequences of allowing that to happen. They would be catastrophic for Lloris, AVB and Spurs. You can be sure that the medics knew that the chances of a serious injury were miniscule and that's why it played out as it did.

Like I said earlier in this thread, if you withdraw players on the basis that there is any risk that there could be a slow bleed or something similar then you'll have a lot more forced substitutions and the vast majority of them will ultimately turn out to be needless.
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No, they didn't, and I'm getting tired of saying this. The doctor quite clearly wanted him off the field of play and, as Spursalot is saying, was leading him away to the dugout. Lloris declared himself fit to play on. That's what happened; everybody saw it with their own eyes, and that situation was allowed to ride, because there was no clear protocol in place to have the game stopped until he acceded to coming off. Only later, after they had done a CT scan and determined everything was ok after all, did they feel confident enough to start saying everything had been done properly, which meant there had to have been a solemn clinical decision to let him play on based on the proper assessment, but that clearly never happened. The medical team wanted him off.

Anyway, I've said all I'm going to on this now.
 
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Spursalot said:
For trained qualified competent medics who agreed he was ok they seemed mightily confused about which direction he needed to go to get back in goal.
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Exactly to everyone watching it was very apparent they wanted him to come off and he overruled them and AVB let him.
Everything else said about it is PR bull**** after the fact.
 
indianspur said:
AVB comes out fighting in defence of himself and the Spurs medics

http://sport.bt.com/sportfootball/football/villasboas-defends-lloris-decision-S11363847529994?
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"My medical department has followed the Premier League guidelines for this type of situation, that's the only thing I can tell you," he said. "The situation is obviously not comparable to NFL situations, rugby situations or Petr Cech's situation. It astonishes me that you try to put this in the same mould as situations that happened in the past. We have all the indications that the player is OK and we don't see incidents like this happening again."


Of course its comparable to Petr Cech. The medical team acted correctly they wanted him off. AVB let Lloris come back on and didn't back them up. He pretty much washed his hands of the situation and let Lloris endanger himself without even speaking to him.
 
And the reason there was no big deal when it happened to Lukaku was it wasnt live on Sky.
We all saw close up shots of Lloris looking dazed, we could see the medical staff's reaction.

With Lukaku and Townsend last week there was none of that. This is not some anti spurs conspiracy.
 
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Video from AVB's press conference and from training if you follow the link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2488343/Hugo-Lloris-Tottenham-training-days-knocked-unconscious.html
 
Spurs@HKMaOnShan said:
Apparently he is very ill:ross:
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Yeah its hilarious :-"




The brain injury charity Headway warned there is a chance that Lloris could pick up a secondary injury if he plays on Thursday.

"We are very concerned about this," said its spokesman, Luke Griggs. "Some of the damage following a traumatic brain injury, however mild, might not be picked up on scans. It sometimes take time for the symptoms to come through.

"If there is a slight swelling to the brain it might be that a secondary knock in Thursday's game might exacerbate the problem. You need to allow the brain to fully rest and recover."
 
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