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How patriotic are you?

Danishfurniturelover

Danishfurniturelover

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We had the wife's sister round with her husband last night for dinner and a load of drinks. The conversation got onto what I think is the excellent t.v. show The Night Manager.

Somehow it got round to whether we would sell guns to be used in wars to other countries. I said I would and now even sober I maintain even if the British government were against it I would sell guns to Russia, which would probably be used against a country Latvia where we spend a lot of time and have close friends.

They were all surprised that theoretically I would do such a thing. But without really getting to political, governments in this country have done things I have been against for years, so if in a cold war style I had the chance to sell secrets to Russia I actually would.

What I am now trying to work out in the cold light of day is whether I am purely money motivated or someone with a deep resentment towards my country. Either way in a Le Carre style I could quite easily be turned, so if the kremlin are reading this get your roubles ready, as I do not think I am as patriotic as I previously thought.
 
Not really. I'm pretty left wing and don't see what the point in being patriotic about being born within invisible (although in Britains case as an island perhaps visible) barriers on a rock that's floating through space...

I don't see why I should be proud of this nation any more than I should Nigeria. We're all of the same species after all so why should I be proud?

Saying that, I am proud that my ancestors within this border fought against the Nazi's. I don't think, as the common claim is today, that our ancestors thought for morally superior reasons however. Let us not forget that we had no idea of the atrocities that were being committed in Germany so you can't say that we set out to end an evil regime. We set out to oblige a contractual agreement we'd entered into with Poland that we'd defend them when the time come.

I used to be patriotic as a child and young teen. It was only upon entering adulthood that I asked myself what the f**k is the point in being patriotic? I could have born in any corner of this planet. It just so happens my mothers muff was aimed at this island when came to life. As far as I'm concerned the Queen can get her sceptre and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

The only time a bit of patriotism really comes is when I'm faced with someone criticising my country. At that point I turn into a bit of a hypocrite and start praising everything to do with the UK from the crap weather to our forever $#ite politicians.

Particularly when it comes to Americans claiming they saved our backsides during both WW1 and WW2. At that point I'm wishing we kept them on a tighter leash as a little spec on our mighty empire.

So in conclusion perhaps my first statement wasn't so true... I'm completely unpatriotic until someone takes the tinkle out of my country.
 
Does more work then those cnuts in the warehouse, be interested to see how many of them muppets comes in tomorrow morning. Tw*ts think they deserve a bank holiday off, fcuking socialist nob ends.
 
I couldn't be any less patriotic nowadays, I find the whole notion ridiculous. We live in a global community now, national identities should be reserved for funny idiosyncrasies within a country and praise for what individual nations achieve for the greater good of it's people and around the world.
 
Brilliant question!

Born in London, early years in Golders Green (before moving to South London), moved here when I was a younger man. 100% Dublin-born Mum, 100% Tehran-born Iranian Dad.
Been here in SF for many years now, yet still look forward to getting back 2-3 times a year, still crave my match days, still watch all games every week, still love my Yorkshire Gold, still love my English telly, still love the English countryside, still get excited when the national side looks strong...
But I don't like ardent nationalism! Yet I drink my tea from an old china,mug with the Queen and that horrific old scrote The Duke on it!!!!!!
Proud to still be a British citizen and have my British passport.

I wonder if I would feel different if I still lived at home? See, hasn't been home in three decades+, yet I still call it 'home'...strange...

I like everyone if they're decent, don't care where they're from, but I must say, I am proud to be English in the sense that I identify with what being English means (polite, socially-minded, decent to people, tolerant) yet I don't know if that is how the world sees the English anymore.

Again, great topic and I look forward to hearing more opinions...
 
not at all, I see no logic in favouring one group of people over another based on simple locality and logistics
 
Not proud of being Norwegian at all, and not at all patriotic, but I do feel a certain obligation of gratitude towards "the system" anyhow. The welfare system is working well and taking care of my little kid for instance (who needed treatment for a cyst on his eye when he was born). There exists a certain "safety net" if I were to fudge up my life considerably. I'm free to move around where I want and such and so. There's an open debate climate, so if you're upset about something, there's no one stopping you from raising your voice. All in all, Norway feels like a very democratic country to me, which of course is good. So, would I fight to protect it? Yeah, I imagine so (not that I'd be a very good fighter). It seems like a decent platform to build from. Still a long way to go though, and lots to improve, obviously.

It is a weird place though. Norway is among the countries with the strictest social norms, along with Pakistan, India, Malaysia and South Korea.

http://paraplyen.nhh.no/paraplyen/arkiv/2011/juni/norwegians/

If you don't like watching cross country skiing on the telly during the weekends in the winter you're pretty much a social outcast come Monday morning at work or pretty much anywhere! Also, similarly, if you dare say you don't like to go cross country skiing, you might as well say you don't celebrate the 17th of May (which is probably the oddest day in the year - it starts off all self-important and dressed in fine clothes, and ends up with a lot of fighting and drunkenness all over). Also, the Norwegian media just love to write about what the international media thinks and says about Norway. They just love it (at least whenever they say something nice). Which is a sort of inane self-absorbed view that seems to prevail pretty much everywhere in this country. People in general are incredibly interested in what other countries think of Norway. Probably because no-one usually cares, as there's not much interesting coming out of Norway (except for black metal back in the early 90's), probably because we're too worried about what people outside Norway think of us, haha.
 
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I am not patriotic but value my British citizenship for the safety and secuity it gives me. Feel more patriotic about my Yorkshire roots.
 
I fail to see much difference between religion and nationalism.
Both are sets of ideals that could be used to better society, but people are stupid and manipulative so both are used to divide and create false superiority.

Re gun sales. Could make some tidy £ from that and war and death make global ecomies go round, so yes I would. I'd also hate myself for it.
 
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scaramanga said:
Got no love for this brickehole of a country whatsoever.

If my family and friends didn't live here then neither would I.
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I moved to California and back again.
When people ask me about look living here I say "I don't like living in Britain, I enjoy London"
In reality, my wife and I both work in average middle class jobs - im a civil servant, she is in a university. We essentially have to choose between raising a family or buying a house - and both of those will be alot harder than they should be.
 
Daisuk said:
Not proud of being Norwegian at all, and not at all patriotic, but I do feel a certain obligation of gratitude towards "the system" anyhow. The welfare system is working well and taking care of my little kid for instance (who needed treatment for a cyst on his eye when he was born). There exists a certain "safety net" if I were to fudge up my life considerably. I'm free to move around where I want and such and so. There's an open debate climate, so if you're upset about something, there's no one stopping you from raising your voice. All in all, Norway feels like a very democratic country to me, which of course is good. So, would I fight to protect it? Yeah, I imagine so (not that I'd be a very good fighter). It seems like a decent platform to build from. Still a long way to go though, and lots to improve, obviously.

It is a weird place though. Norway is among the countries with the strictest social norms, along with Pakistan, India, Malaysia and South Korea.

http://paraplyen.nhh.no/paraplyen/arkiv/2011/juni/norwegians/

If you don't like watching cross country skiing on the telly during the weekends in the winter you're pretty much a social outcast come Monday morning at work or pretty much anywhere! Also, similarly, if you dare say you don't like to go cross country skiing, you might as well say you don't celebrate the 17th of May (which is probably the oddest day in the year - it starts off all self-important and dressed in fine clothes, and ends up with a lot of fighting and drunkenness all over). Also, the Norwegian media just love to write about what the international media thinks and says about Norway. They just love it (at least whenever they say something nice). Which is a sort of inane self-absorbed view that seems to prevail pretty much everywhere in this country. People in general are incredibly interested in what other countries think of Norway. Probably because no-one usually cares, as there's not much interesting coming out of Norway (except for black metal back in the early 90's), probably because we're too worried about what people outside Norway think of us, haha.
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That was an interesting read. Well do you like cross country skiing?
 
Seedy Ron said:
I'd be patriotic enough to inform on the Soviet arms dealing traitor, Chich.
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Than you would not be invited to my secret island where I would entertain a bevy of buxom young ladies and have a midget valet with a strangely lethal top hat. I am turning into scara here, next thing I know I will be wearing a cravat.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Does more work then those cnuts in the warehouse, be interested to see how many of them muppets comes in tomorrow morning. Tw*ts think they deserve a bank holiday off, fcuking socialist nob ends.
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I received a text at 3.31 this morning from one of them saying they were not coming in because a tree had fallen and blocked their driveway.

Checked personal file and the cnut lives in a flat. Will be having words tomorrow, I aint no ones biitch.
 
Rorschach said:
That was an interesting read. Well do you like cross country skiing?
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Not really. I do it every once in a while, but getting the skis to fit the weather conditions is a major hassle. The Norwegian cross country team literally spends millions every year doing research on proper ski waxing! No kidding.

It's dull as fudge to watch on TV.
 
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