Homophobic Chanting at Old Trafford

[SpiderSpurs]

Things are always going to upset some people, [stick and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me.] Seems to me that we live in a world when everyone thinks they have a right to be offended.

Of course racism is offensive but they are a lot of folks get bent out of shape by everything that is said, written etc.

Everyone has the right to be offended about anything. The point though, is that being offended, doesn't make you right.

Both correct, however, there is no place for homophobic brick in 2024.

 

[spurspinter1]

Thank the Lord we've got straight white males brave enough to tastefully let everyone know that discrimination actually isn't all that bad - They reasonably have this authority because they've always been the no 1 victim, whether it's just words (boohoo cry about it) or what follows in the form of systemic oppression, targeted acts of violence where victims are picked specifically because of their heterosexuality in a homonormative society. You guys have had it real tough over the years, reparations are just around the corner no doubt!

Tbf in regards to the statement, the line in question isn't great but the threshold probably should be a little higher to be labeled "abhorrent homophobia" - It's not ideal and it doesn't take much thought as to why but it could be a lot worse.

I was on a train the other day and these scrotes were loudly calling each other gay on the carriage in a perjorative manner and it felt like what I imagine the 80s to be like. Usually I have noise cancelling headphones so can just block out whatever flimflam people are saying but they weren't working and I was genuinely surprised at what I was hearing.

 

[SkipRat]

Things are always going to upset some people, [stick and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me.] Seems to me that we live in a world when everyone thinks they have a right to be offended.

Of course racism is offensive but they are a lot of folks get bent out of shape by everything that is said, written etc.

I just think everything is going way to sensitive. I remember reading a story about an official being caught up in racism scandel, and it turns out it was because so report/person/guy asked if x player about, so the official said it was the black guy over there. As he was standing in a group with no other black people, so the most easiest recognisable part about him. Player got upset... But that is not a racist remark, he just describing some to help someone find him.

If he said its the n over there, he should have been fired immediate and drop kicked out of football.

Everybody is looking for every little thing, even if it is unrealated.

TenCents, computer games investors are banning the use of white list/black list in case it offends someone. Even though it has nothing to with people and just to colours. It's nuts.

 

[Craig_J]

On the one hand I think it is a bit over the top that the Solanke chant is considered homophobic. Because I know we aren't the type of fan base that sets out to make people feel uncomfortable.

At the same time I think, context aside, referencing the scum in our chants is something we can do without. It's unccesary. Let the chant be entirely about Solanke.

i think the revised version is top notch and the way we should we going about stuff.

I am also wary that if we chant controversially - then the whole Y word debate may resurface. And I don't want us to be punsihed for chanting that.

 

[Daisuk]

Considering the history of football songs and how similar lines have been used many times earlier to clearly insinuate that taking it up the arse is a shameful act, I don't know how anyone could argue it isn't homophobic. It clearly is.

Having said that - the personal abuse of players and managers and whatnot that isn't sanctioned is staggering. What's the reasoning behind allowing that? It must be quite damning to be hearing that when you're doing your job.

I think football chanting could easily be fun and tongue in cheek (as a lot of it is), without being straight up mean. You may call me a snowflake for that, of course, but just think of all the chants we have that don't target specific players in a negative way - it wouldn't really take anything away from the game. Not gonna happen anytime soon obviously, but it's bound to come at some point. I'm fudging sick of the Campbell song.

 

[braineclipse]

Considering the history of football songs and how similar lines have been used many times earlier to clearly insinuate that taking it up the arse is a shameful act, I don't know how anyone could argue it isn't homophobic. It clearly is.

Having said that - the personal abuse of players and managers and whatnot that isn't sanctioned is staggering. What's the reasoning behind allowing that? It must be quite damning to be hearing that when you're doing your job.

I think football chanting could easily be fun and tongue in cheek (as a lot of it is), without being straight up mean. You may call me a snowflake for that, of course, but just think of all the chants we have that don't target specific players in a negative way - it wouldn't really take anything away from the game. Not gonna happen anytime soon obviously, but it's bound to come at some point. I'm fudging sick of the Campbell song.

Mostly agree. I have little issue with meanness towards individuals, clubs or whatever in the context of chanting at a game.

But very little would be lost if meanness that also spills over into being mean about other groups, even including many fans of our own club, didn't happen. And quite a bit could be gained.

I find myself somewhat disillusioned by modern top level football. I have a deep attachment to Spurs, I like football. But modern top level football has so much that's questionable within it. Why does homophobia have to be included on that list? Is that something we need, something we need to defend being there? Does that make this deeply flawed endeavour of supporting a football team in any way better?