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Harry Kane MBE

parklane1 said:
I still do not see the player he has been over the last few seasons.
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Agree he seems to have lost an edge. Still scoring, but a shadow of what he was. So, what to put it down to? Presumably some combination of form, fitness, fatigue and the effects of past injuries. But maybe also a change of role? Changes in the players around him? Impact of more intensive targeting by opponents?

Whatever, we know that all top players will go through spells like this but most will eventually emerge intact and come back stronger.

And if anyone is going to do that, it's going to be Harry.
 
But...he made the top ten at the Ballon d'or awards, so he can't be that bad. 10th place, actually.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
We have never lost a game where Dele has scored at all
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I don't like these sorts of stats. It is like saying we've never lost a game when Rose or Ben Davies or Serge Aurier has scored (because they only scored 2 goals or whatever).

When they said it about Aaron Lennon, all it meant was (a) he hardly ever scores and (b) he only scores in games where we're winning.

Also, when you have a brilliant defence like Spurs HAD over recent seasons, it is not unlikely that scoring in a game = not losing.

Not impressive - more impressive to say a player has scored the winning goal in 60% of games he played in, or something similar.
 
Bullet said:
I don't like these sorts of stats. It is like saying we've never lost a game when Rose or Ben Davies or Serge Aurier has scored (because they only scored 2 goals or whatever).

When they said it about Aaron Lennon, all it meant was (a) he hardly ever scores and (b) he only scores in games where we're winning.

Also, when you have a brilliant defence like Spurs HAD over recent seasons, it is not unlikely that scoring in a game = not losing.

Not impressive - more impressive to say a player has scored the winning goal in 60% of games he played in, or something similar.
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Exactly, it means f**k all. It's not as if Alli scores the first goal so we're more likely to win than if Son (or someone) scored it. It's just a coincidental stat that isn't worth the time it took to research. If anyone puts any value on it, they don't understand what they are talking about.

Correlation does not imply causation.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Exactly, it means f**k all. It's not as if Alli scores the first goal so we're more likely to win than if Son (or someone) scored it. It's just a coincidental stat that isn't worth the time it took to research. If anyone puts any value on it, they don't understand what they are talking about.

Correlation does not imply causation.
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Well as Alli does score first and last regular and has a habit of scoring against the best sides it does matter
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Well as Alli does score first and last regular and has a habit of scoring against the best sides it does matter
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The stat itself means nothing though. He scored for us against Burnley last season in a 1-1 draw for example. If Lamela or Moura had scored that goal, does it mean we could have lost the game? Was our goal somehow more valuable just because Alli scored it?

The fact he scores winning goals or that he scores so many goals against Chelsea and other top teams is a meaningful stat.

That we haven't lost a league game when Alli scored means nothing in itself.
 
DeanoAustin said:
The stat itself means nothing though. He scored for us against Burnley last season in a 1-1 draw for example. If Lamela or Moura had scored that goal, does it mean we could have lost the game? Was our goal somehow more valuable just because Alli scored it?

The fact he scores winning goals or that he scores so many goals against Chelsea and other top teams is a meaningful stat.

That we haven't lost a league game when Alli scored means nothing in itself.
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Chillax! The not losing a game when Alli has scored (in the PL) is no more 'meaningful' than the stat that he scores so many goals vs top teams. It's all interesting trivia...however, Alli scoring in a game might make us as fans or his teammates start to feel confident we won't lose

#justsaying
 
glorygloryeze said:
Chillax! The not losing a game when Alli has scored (in the PL) is no more 'meaningful' than the stat that he scores so many goals vs top teams. It's all interesting trivia...however, Alli scoring in a game might make us as fans or his teammates start to feel confident we won't lose

#justsaying
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Haha I'm very chillaxed.

That he scores against top teams means something. For instance, Lukaku doesn't score many against the top teams and never has which indicates that he isn't really in the same class as Harry. Dele doing it strongly infers a lot about him.

Us not losing any time he scores is just a coincidence that may be the result of some great goalkeeping by Hugo, super defending from Toby or Kane scoring a hat-trick. It's a meaningless stat.

By the way, he did score when we lost to Wet Spam in the League Cup last year IIRC which just underscores the irrelevance of the stat.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Haha I'm very chillaxed.

That he scores against top teams means something. For instance, Lukaku doesn't score many against the top teams and never has which indicates that he isn't really in the same class as Harry. Dele doing it strongly infers a lot about him.

Us not losing any time he scores is just a coincidence that may be the result of some great goalkeeping by Hugo, super defending from Toby or Kane scoring a hat-trick. It's a meaningless stat.

By the way, he did score when we lost to Wet Spam in the League Cup last year IIRC which just underscores the irrelevance of the stat.
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Indeed re the bolded bit; that's why i updated @Bedfordspurs post to say PL game..:cool:
 
DeanoAustin said:
Exactly, it means f**k all. It's not as if Alli scores the first goal so we're more likely to win than if Son (or someone) scored it. It's just a coincidental stat that isn't worth the time it took to research. If anyone puts any value on it, they don't understand what they are talking about.

Correlation does not imply causation.
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Be very careful, you will have the stats police on your back otherwise.
 
Just whiled away ten minutes reading the first ten or so pages of this thread :D

If you ever need evidence of who has a clue about football and who doesn’t, then the start of this thread is the smoking gun you need!
 
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