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Guglielmo Vicario

Im usually behind all the players in the team and rose tint their performances rather than over criticise, but I have been saying for a while he needs competition and/or replacing. It's been a characteristic of the club for 10-15 years now that we back a defacto number 1, and it just lulls them into patchy or mediocre form. Lloris could throw the ball in the goal twice in one week and still wouldn't be dropped because he had no competition. Now we have Kinsky who is apparently underwhelming, Austin who has been with us since birth without featuring prominantly and we sold our only prospect to Luton Town.

We need competition between all positions, you can't be allowed to become comfortable, and aside from his questionable abilities at times, Vicario has no challengers for the shirt.
 
billyiddo said:
Teams generally don't drop their first choice GK in those instances
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Agree in general that most teams won’t drop their keeper unless they’ve had a prolonged period of bad form. We’ve reached that point with Vicario now.

Arsenal were ruthless with Ramsdale who most Arsenal fans liked despite making some mistakes penultimate season with them, they went out and signed an upgrade in Raya and they haven’t looked back nor been forced to drop him ever since.
 
SteveAWOL said:
Who’d have thought that years of speculating on cheap(ish) youngsters from lesser leagues (in the vain hope that one of them is eventually going to develop into a Modric level superstar) instead of using that new stadium revenue to splash out on PL proven players (who’d immediately improve the first team) would put us into a negative spiral that spans across multiple managers!
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Those are our best buys. Splashing money on someone are our worst buys. It's all about the DoF.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Agree in general that most teams won’t drop their keeper unless they’ve had a prolonged period of bad form. We’ve reached that point with Vicario now.

Arsenal were ruthless with Ramsdale who most Arsenal fans liked despite making some mistakes penultimate season with them, they went out and signed an upgrade in Raya and they haven’t looked back nor been forced to drop him ever since.
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The difference there is that they signed a genuine replacement before dropping him - they didn't chuck whoever the reserve GK was at that time in. Rumours would suggest we're at that point now
 
Lemonade Money said:
No way are we in this position because of Vicario. Gotta have a spacegoat I suppose.
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It's true but, at the same time, he could definitely be improved upon. Whether he can be improved upon for the kind of money we seemed to be willing to spend is another matter though.

Crux of the matter is whether the rumors that he wants to go back to Italy are true. If he does, it's best to let him go, in my opinion.
 
Lemonade Money said:
No way are we in this position because of Vicario. Gotta have a spacegoat I suppose.
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We are in this position for lots of reasons. But I’m afraid some of the blame is shouldered by VIc. Good goalkeepers should be starting team’s attacks. VIc is simply not good enough in that respect. He doesn’t move the ball fast enough and his decision making with the ball at his feet is often poor imho. That said he didn’t deserve the booing earlier this season.
 
billyiddo said:
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I think you've missed my point. He wasn't concerned because he had no competition - the closest he ever came to being challenged once he replaced Friedel was by Gazzaniga and that wasn't for long. The other back ups during his time were Archer, Vorm, and Whiteman, hardly a roster to focus your mind on performing week in week out.
 
Surfless said:
I think you've missed my point. He wasn't concerned because he had no competition - the closest he ever came to being challenged once he replaced Friedel was by Gazzaniga and that wasn't for long. The other back ups during his time were Archer, Vorm, and Whiteman, hardly a roster to focus your mind on performing week in week out.
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I don't think competition really exists for a GK - you have a number 1 and then players who are happy to sit on the bench until there is an injury, first choice GKs are never (very rarely) kept on their toes as described because the backup is of a high enough quality to start - could even be argued that the position is so important that you don't want to add that sort of pressure to a player where mistakes are so costly - if your GK is thinking about being replaced his mind isn't going to be as focused as it should be which can lead to mistakes.
 
Lemonade Money said:
No way are we in this position because of Vicario. Gotta have a spacegoat I suppose.
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He's not THE problem. Oh what a situation it would be to have a single problem.

He was a reasonable good profile fit under Ange. Crossing against an issue, but fewer crosses against defending high most of the time. Distribution an issue, but relied more on shorter passes from the GK. Great shot stopper and good one vs one that the system then required.

Under Ange he's not a good profile fit. Different needs for distribution. Defending against crosses more.

He's never been elite, there have always been issues. But those issues are causing more problems now imo.

A quality, good profile fit, new GK would make a significant difference. But it's one of many issues.
 
Why doe he hold the play up so much.? often there are one or two easy outlet balls and he gormlessly just stands there with the ball at his feet. The crowd have recently started given him stick for this.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
Why doe he hold the play up so much.? often there are one or two easy outlet balls and he gormlessly just stands there with the ball at his feet. The crowd have recently started given him stick for this.
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I’m sure he wasn’t always so “dithery” but he just seems very indecisive these days. Maybe he feels there’s a lack of options but I agree he does seem to slow things down.
 
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