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Giovani Lo Celso

Gotta admit, it feels like we bought the wrong guy - a perpetual sicknote over Fernandes, a leader and a warrior.

Sigh. Maybe he'll be back in February.
 
metalgear said:
I'm not convinced of lo celso even when he's fit. Like lamela lots of juicy moments but very little game changing presence

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The best Lo Celso we've seen was the latter end of last season when he played as a CM next to Winks. He more than held his own defensively and I see no reason he couldn't play such a role again.

Out on the right trying to play RWF doesn't suit his attributes, we need him playing centrally and as close to Ndombele and Kane as possible. Just because he has a left foot doesn't make him a RWF.

I still contend to get the very best from this squad we need to at a 433 of Hojberg, Ndombele and GLC. Between the three of them there is more than enough workrate and defensive nous to be secure and of course fantastic quality in possession and attack.
 
Bishop said:
The best Lo Celso we've seen was the latter end of last season when he played as a CM next to Winks. He more than held his own defensively and I see no reason he couldn't play such a role again.

Out on the right trying to play RWF doesn't suit his attributes, we need him playing centrally and as close to Ndombele and Kane as possible. Just because he has a left foot doesn't make him a RWF.

I still contend to get the very best from this squad we need to at a 433 of Hojberg, Ndombele and GLC. Between the three of them there is more than enough workrate and defensive nous to be secure and of course fantastic quality in possession and attack.
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Couldn’t agree more. I think at that time Jose said he wouldn’t swap him for anyone in the world which is a bit of hyperbole but that was his best spell for us.

From what I’ve seen, he won’t score much, he won’t assist much but he can keep the ball, pick a pass and help beat an opposition press. He’s also got a nasty streak. Problem is that he’s obviously injury prone and he doesn’t fit the stereotype of a Jose CM.
 
Bishop said:
The best Lo Celso we've seen was the latter end of last season when he played as a CM next to Winks. He more than held his own defensively and I see no reason he couldn't play such a role again.

Out on the right trying to play RWF doesn't suit his attributes, we need him playing centrally and as close to Ndombele and Kane as possible. Just because he has a left foot doesn't make him a RWF.

I still contend to get the very best from this squad we need to at a 433 of Hojberg, Ndombele and GLC. Between the three of them there is more than enough workrate and defensive nous to be secure and of course fantastic quality in possession and attack.
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I thought there was a pairing there TBF but I do really like Lo Celso
Seems to make the right decisions every time
 
Bishop said:
The best Lo Celso we've seen was the latter end of last season when he played as a CM next to Winks. He more than held his own defensively and I see no reason he couldn't play such a role again.

Out on the right trying to play RWF doesn't suit his attributes, we need him playing centrally and as close to Ndombele and Kane as possible. Just because he has a left foot doesn't make him a RWF.

I still contend to get the very best from this squad we need to at a 433 of Hojberg, Ndombele and GLC. Between the three of them there is more than enough workrate and defensive nous to be secure and of course fantastic quality in possession and attack.
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I agree and I think that a more attacking manager would line up like that. Unfortunately, it seems that Mourinho has decided that both Ndombele and Lo Celso are #10s.
 
Lo Celso already seems like a injury-prone player. Surely, it must be a Spurs curse, players getting injury-prone after joining us.
 
GLC is a bit of an anomaly as players off the pitch get more and more hyped up the longer they're out for..Whereas I don't see many screaming out for his return, nor a big Gio shaped hole in the team at the minute either.

Am I under-rating him perhaps? I reckon our midfield would invariably look worse without one of him or Tanguy in there as we'd lose the creative aspect but the Frenchman is just about one of the only impactful influences in making it enjoyable to watch Spurs of late and I doubt Gio would have that same effect.

Hadn't watched an awful lot of GLC prior to his signing but to me he's like a left footed Eriksen replacement who isn't getting anywhere near the same numbers, hell I bet even Erik is way ahead on assists + goals per minute but maybe I'm judging him by the wrong stats. Hope my feelings prove to be wrong in the long run but it appears that half the time he'll be out and the other half he'll be working his way back to form before another injury pops up...
 
@spurspinter1 It's strange cos the opinion at the time seemed to be he was one of our better players last season yet for some reason no one seems to be really missing him?

I think you're a bit off in your Eriksen comparison, he was no creative playmaker at Betis afaia - i don't really know what the term would be but he looked more of a goalscoring box to box type to me from what i saw in videos - it seemed to me we were moving towards a 433 with a more defensive midfielder being targeted in future windows (we now have Hojberg) to complete the miffield 3 alongside Ndombele
 
spurspinter1 said:
GLC is a bit of an anomaly as players off the pitch get more and more hyped up the longer they're out for..Whereas I don't see many screaming out for his return, nor a big Gio shaped hole in the team at the minute either.

Am I under-rating him perhaps? I reckon our midfield would invariably look worse without one of him or Tanguy in there as we'd lose the creative aspect but the Frenchman is just about one of the only impactful influences in making it enjoyable to watch Spurs of late and I doubt Gio would have that same effect.

Hadn't watched an awful lot of GLC prior to his signing but to me he's like a left footed Eriksen replacement who isn't getting anywhere near the same numbers, hell I bet even Erik is way ahead on assists + goals per minute but maybe I'm judging him by the wrong stats. Hope my feelings prove to be wrong in the long run but it appears that half the time he'll be out and the other half he'll be working his way back to form before another injury pops up...
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GLC played 3 more games in the Prem than Lamela the last two seasons, one goal and three assists for him vs 2 goals and one assist.

I think the concerns over his injury record are valid. He was a bright spot last year for his work rate, ability to carry the ball, resist the press and win the ball back. Mourinho must have signed off on his early loan conversion to a perm deal but I’m not sure he was ever supposed to be Eriksen’s replacement as even at Betis his assist tally was low.
When he returns I’d partner him with Hojbjerg and return Ndombele to the attacking role, hopefully Lo Celso will be able to get the ball to him quicker and also draw players towards him to give him more spade to operate. I do like ndombele operating deeper but Lo Celso would give us a lot more on the ball than messrs Winks or Sissoko operating there.
 
MKSpur said:
GLC played 3 more games in the Prem than Lamela the last two seasons, one goal and three assists for him vs 2 goals and one assist.

I think the concerns over his injury record are valid. He was a bright spot last year for his work rate, ability to carry the ball, resist the press and win the ball back. Mourinho must have signed off on his early loan conversion to a perm deal but I’m not sure he was ever supposed to be Eriksen’s replacement as even at Betis his assist tally was low.
When he returns I’d partner him with Hojbjerg and return Ndombele to the attacking role, hopefully Lo Celso will be able to get the ball to him quicker and also draw players towards him to give him more spade to operate. I do like ndombele operating deeper but Lo Celso would give us a lot more on the ball than messrs Winks or Sissoko operating there.
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Its a nice thought to think we’ll have all three of Tanguy, GLC and PEH readily available at the same time, sadly with our injury record it’s pie in the sky style thinking. If it only takes one of our first choice midfielders to reduce it to how it performs currently I guess it’s a squad problem (not trying to lay blame solely on Gio for current woes)..

Maybe looking at players as a replacement for former players isn’t the best way of thinking on my part...I’m still sceptical at the reasoning behind signing Gio and Tanguy at the same time, but I guess we didn’t perceive how long it would take for them to settle and the injury problems to boot.
 
spurspinter1 said:
Its a nice thought to think we’ll have all three of Tanguy, GLC and PEH readily available at the same time, sadly with our injury record it’s pie in the sky style thinking. If it only takes one of our first choice midfielders to reduce it to how it performs currently I guess it’s a squad problem (not trying to lay blame solely on Gio for current woes)..

Maybe looking at players as a replacement for former players isn’t the best way of thinking on my part...I’m still sceptical at the reasoning behind signing Gio and Tanguy at the same time, but I guess we didn’t perceive how long it would take for them to settle and the injury problems to boot.
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Maybe Poch thought GLC was an upgrade Winks and Ndombele on Sissoko, whilst replacing the almost irreplaceable Dembele?
 
GLC is clearly not an Eriksen replacement and I doubt he was ever intended to be, their game style and attributes are completely different.

If you recall to the latter end of the Pitch era we played a diamond fairly often and suffered due to not having the right type of players for the system.

In the back of my mind I've always wondered if that shape played a part in the Ndombele and GLC interest with them taking either side of the diamond and potentially Fernandez/Dybala taking the point of the diamond.

Either way I 99% certain if Poch was asked he would not say GLC was intended to directly replace Eriksen, if that was his intention then he clearly needed the break and had list his mind.
 
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