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Gareth Bale
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Frederic Kanoute
Re: Gareth Bale
Yep, and 9 out of 10 stats are made up. 8)
However, if true, pardon my ignorance but would it be fair to say he also the only one of those not strictly a striker? (Not sure if Ronaldo counts as a striker?)
Yep, and 9 out of 10 stats are made up. 8)
However, if true, pardon my ignorance but would it be fair to say he also the only one of those not strictly a striker? (Not sure if Ronaldo counts as a striker?)
SteveAWOL
Barry Daines
Re: Gareth Bale
Hopefully Bale will be well ahead of Walnut in this goals + assists category by the end of this season.
Twitter / OptaJoe: 65 - Most PL goals + assists since Aug 2011: Van Persie 65, Rooney 48, Agüero 42, Mata 38, Suárez 36, Walcott 35, Bale 33. Influence.
Hopefully Bale will be well ahead of Walnut in this goals + assists category by the end of this season.
Twitter / OptaJoe: 65 - Most PL goals + assists since Aug 2011: Van Persie 65, Rooney 48, Agüero 42, Mata 38, Suárez 36, Walcott 35, Bale 33. Influence.
Steed Train
Clive Wilson
Re: Gareth Bale
Bit of a crap stat. A higher conversion rate would be more appropriate
Bit of a crap stat. A higher conversion rate would be more appropriate
Re: Gareth Bale
True...
I like this: http://www.whoscored.com/Blog/_o5fd...er-Focus-Taking-Chances-The-Easy-The-Hard-Way
True...
I like this: http://www.whoscored.com/Blog/_o5fd...er-Focus-Taking-Chances-The-Easy-The-Hard-Way
SteveAWOL
Barry Daines
Re: Gareth Bale
Messi: 131 shots, 35 goals = 26.7%
Ibrahimovic: 106 shots, 21 goals = 19.8%
Ronaldo: 166 shots, 24 goals = 14.5%
Bale: 102 shots, 13 goals = 12.7%
Suarez: 152 shots, 18 goals = 11.8%
and for comparison
Defoe: 98 shots, 10 goals = 10.2%
Messi: 131 shots, 35 goals = 26.7%
Ibrahimovic: 106 shots, 21 goals = 19.8%
Ronaldo: 166 shots, 24 goals = 14.5%
Bale: 102 shots, 13 goals = 12.7%
Suarez: 152 shots, 18 goals = 11.8%
and for comparison
Defoe: 98 shots, 10 goals = 10.2%
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Re: Gareth Bale
Comparisons like this are inevitably over-simplistic. For a start no one is seriously suggesting Bale is on a par with Messi or Ronaldo.
That said, it's not as though we're comparing apples with apples here. Apart from Ronaldo the rest are either inside forwards or out-and-out strikers whereas Bale is a wide player who also drifts inside. Ronaldo mostly plays further forward but though he also uses the flanks statistics show he seldom crosses nowadays, whereas Bale still puts in a decent number every game.
Having started out as a left back I'd guess Bale also does more and better defending than the rest. Eg how often is it his powerful header that clears the danger from corners nowadays?
So to confine the comparison to total shots and number of goals is selling Bale's overall contribution far too short imo.
Comparisons like this are inevitably over-simplistic. For a start no one is seriously suggesting Bale is on a par with Messi or Ronaldo.
That said, it's not as though we're comparing apples with apples here. Apart from Ronaldo the rest are either inside forwards or out-and-out strikers whereas Bale is a wide player who also drifts inside. Ronaldo mostly plays further forward but though he also uses the flanks statistics show he seldom crosses nowadays, whereas Bale still puts in a decent number every game.
Having started out as a left back I'd guess Bale also does more and better defending than the rest. Eg how often is it his powerful header that clears the danger from corners nowadays?
So to confine the comparison to total shots and number of goals is selling Bale's overall contribution far too short imo.
Baleforce
Les Bennett
Re: Gareth Bale
so Hoddle was actually being complimentary about Andy cole all them years ago
so Hoddle was actually being complimentary about Andy cole all them years ago
thejazzman
Jason Cundy
Re: Gareth Bale
This. It doesnt take into account how dangerous the shots actually are...no point floating 100 shots straight into the goalkeepers arms. Also, stats like these dont take into account WHERE the players are shooting from. A conversion rate of around 12% from a high number of long shots [a la Bale] is surely more impressive than 12% from the penalty spot [a la Suarez].
This. It doesnt take into account how dangerous the shots actually are...no point floating 100 shots straight into the goalkeepers arms. Also, stats like these dont take into account WHERE the players are shooting from. A conversion rate of around 12% from a high number of long shots [a la Bale] is surely more impressive than 12% from the penalty spot [a la Suarez].
Re: Gareth Bale
These kind of stats are largely a-contextual and pretty much useless
These kind of stats are largely a-contextual and pretty much useless
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braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Re: Gareth Bale
I agree. So many stats are presented like this by various sources, journos, blogs, commentators, TV etc...
I agree. So many stats are presented like this by various sources, journos, blogs, commentators, TV etc...
DeanoAustin
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Re: Gareth Bale
I'm big into stats generally but not massively for football.
Watching SSN this morning and they were talking about Barcelona completing 600+ passes compared to Milan's 250. Who gives a brick? Did we used to get this sort of useless information?
Seems now there are stats for everything and conclusions are being drawn on them. Not only are the stats not absolute - in football they are barely indicative. Without context, as stated above, they are useless.
I'm big into stats generally but not massively for football.
Watching SSN this morning and they were talking about Barcelona completing 600+ passes compared to Milan's 250. Who gives a brick? Did we used to get this sort of useless information?
Seems now there are stats for everything and conclusions are being drawn on them. Not only are the stats not absolute - in football they are barely indicative. Without context, as stated above, they are useless.
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
Re: Gareth Bale
Not me, thats for sure. Be nice for Sky and the others to get that message though.
Not me, thats for sure. Be nice for Sky and the others to get that message though.
Re: Gareth Bale
Did they also compare the stat that Barcelona scored 0 goals to Milan's 2? I think that stat was the most important one from the game.
Did they also compare the stat that Barcelona scored 0 goals to Milan's 2? I think that stat was the most important one from the game.
DeanoAustin
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Re: Gareth Bale
I think it was just one of the minor stats behind the average distance travelled by a Xavi pass in the first twenty minutes with his left foot in the right quadrant of the pitch.
There's a radio station over here (Ireland) called Newstalk which does a sports bulletin every morning as you'd expect. Every fudging football result over the last couple of weeks, the taco gives the score and then tells us how much possession each team had and how many corners they had. IT DOESN'T fudging MATTER.
Too much knowledge in the hands of an idiot is a dangerous thing.
I think it was just one of the minor stats behind the average distance travelled by a Xavi pass in the first twenty minutes with his left foot in the right quadrant of the pitch.
There's a radio station over here (Ireland) called Newstalk which does a sports bulletin every morning as you'd expect. Every fudging football result over the last couple of weeks, the taco gives the score and then tells us how much possession each team had and how many corners they had. IT DOESN'T fudging MATTER.
Too much knowledge in the hands of an idiot is a dangerous thing.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Re: Gareth Bale
So far on ITV4 its been 10 mins on Bale and nothing else, one man team
So far on ITV4 its been 10 mins on Bale and nothing else, one man team
