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Jack L. Jones
Re: O/T Financial Fair Play
It was Football Weekly, they had Philippe Auclair on.
It was Football Weekly, they had Philippe Auclair on.
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Financial Fair Play
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Arthur Rowe
Re: O/T Financial Fair Play
I wouldn't be surprised if they use this to justify the large sponsorship in someway, "we work with our partners to improve the match day experience for our fans, as they are the most important part of the club" etc etc which the press and fan groups will lap up, despite it being pretty obvious that the fans who actually turn up at the ground have never been less important to PL clubs
I wouldn't be surprised if they use this to justify the large sponsorship in someway, "we work with our partners to improve the match day experience for our fans, as they are the most important part of the club" etc etc which the press and fan groups will lap up, despite it being pretty obvious that the fans who actually turn up at the ground have never been less important to PL clubs
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Does anybody actually believe anything about FFP now?
It's obvious the spending at Barca/Real/City/Cheat$ki/PSG/etc has not gone down, will not go down.
No doubt they will make an example of some mid table struggler at some point who overspends, but the money doping clubs have already had their conversations with UEFA and know they are going to get away with it.
Does anybody actually believe anything about FFP now?
It's obvious the spending at Barca/Real/City/Cheat$ki/PSG/etc has not gone down, will not go down.
No doubt they will make an example of some mid table struggler at some point who overspends, but the money doping clubs have already had their conversations with UEFA and know they are going to get away with it.
jts1882
Dean Richards
Re: O/T Financial Fair Play
The idea that anyone at UEFA or FIFA was going to stop people with large amounts of money to throw at football was always far-fetched.
They will find a few suitable targets to show their "seriousness". Which was the Spanish team fined for not paying debts or players ... Malaga? Or possibly Anzhi now they seem to have lost their benefactor. They can punish them.
The idea that anyone at UEFA or FIFA was going to stop people with large amounts of money to throw at football was always far-fetched.
They will find a few suitable targets to show their "seriousness". Which was the Spanish team fined for not paying debts or players ... Malaga? Or possibly Anzhi now they seem to have lost their benefactor. They can punish them.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Re: O/T Financial Fair Play
I don't think that Chelsea would have sold Mata this week if it wasn't for FFP. It is being phased in over a number of seasons and it is also judged over a period of time rather than on one set of results. I think that it is still too early to judge how it will be enforced and whether it is effective.
I don't think that Chelsea would have sold Mata this week if it wasn't for FFP. It is being phased in over a number of seasons and it is also judged over a period of time rather than on one set of results. I think that it is still too early to judge how it will be enforced and whether it is effective.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
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I will continue to believe that FFP was put in place primarily to stop clubs from going into debt they cannot handle putting their future at serious risk and that UEFA isn't motivated to stop rich people who want to inject large sums of money into football.
I will continue to believe that FFP was put in place primarily to stop clubs from going into debt they cannot handle putting their future at serious risk and that UEFA isn't motivated to stop rich people who want to inject large sums of money into football.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
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I just can't ever see them following through and banning a club like Emirates Marketing Project or Real Madrid from the Champions League. UEFA won't get as much revenue if the big boys are not in the competition.
I just can't ever see them following through and banning a club like Emirates Marketing Project or Real Madrid from the Champions League. UEFA won't get as much revenue if the big boys are not in the competition.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Re: O/T Financial Fair Play
Banning a club from European competition is the ultimate sanction though, there are lots of smaller penalties.
Emirates Marketing Project aren't a big boy in terms of global following. I doubt UEFA or the broadcasters give two hoots whether they are in the CL or not.
Banning a club from European competition is the ultimate sanction though, there are lots of smaller penalties.
Emirates Marketing Project aren't a big boy in terms of global following. I doubt UEFA or the broadcasters give two hoots whether they are in the CL or not.
jts1882
Dean Richards
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The stated motivation (e.g. from Platini) was to stop unfair injection of money as at Chelsea and now City, PSG, etc. The rules seemed designed to maintain the status quo and prevent such spending (if enforced strictly).
At the same time the rules do nothing to stop the likes of the Glazers or Hicks-Gillett making a leveraged takeover and putting the club in heavily debt. While you can argue United can afford it, Liverpool couldn't and had to be saved with a takeover aided by a friendly judge.
The stated motivation (e.g. from Platini) was to stop unfair injection of money as at Chelsea and now City, PSG, etc. The rules seemed designed to maintain the status quo and prevent such spending (if enforced strictly).
At the same time the rules do nothing to stop the likes of the Glazers or Hicks-Gillett making a leveraged takeover and putting the club in heavily debt. While you can argue United can afford it, Liverpool couldn't and had to be saved with a takeover aided by a friendly judge.
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Steve Sedgley
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Financial_Fair_Play_Regulations
Although he talks about money being shoveled into clubs he mentions that in the context of owners not wanting to do that any more, owners being prevented from selling the clubs and making a profit by the previous system. This is essentially the opposite of Chelsea/City/PSG. He specifically talks about clubs losing money, spending more than they earn, not paying their debt and living within your means. Possibly the behaviour of clubs like Chelsea was mentioned elsewhere, but statements like these indicate quite strongly that the target at the very least included the poorly run clubs. Possibly in addition to stopping unfair injections of money like at Chelsea, although I don't personally remember that.
There were reports of 60+ clubs in large and medium sized European leagues with debt that could potentially cripple them and force them out of business, I think the vast majority of these examples weren't from debt being piled on clubs like the Glazers did when buying United, but debt accumulated over time from transfers and wages - essentially clubs spending more than they earned.
Edit: Feel free to post any contradicting quotes from Platini or UEFA where they say what you claimed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Financial_Fair_Play_Regulations
Although he talks about money being shoveled into clubs he mentions that in the context of owners not wanting to do that any more, owners being prevented from selling the clubs and making a profit by the previous system. This is essentially the opposite of Chelsea/City/PSG. He specifically talks about clubs losing money, spending more than they earn, not paying their debt and living within your means. Possibly the behaviour of clubs like Chelsea was mentioned elsewhere, but statements like these indicate quite strongly that the target at the very least included the poorly run clubs. Possibly in addition to stopping unfair injections of money like at Chelsea, although I don't personally remember that.
There were reports of 60+ clubs in large and medium sized European leagues with debt that could potentially cripple them and force them out of business, I think the vast majority of these examples weren't from debt being piled on clubs like the Glazers did when buying United, but debt accumulated over time from transfers and wages - essentially clubs spending more than they earned.
Edit: Feel free to post any contradicting quotes from Platini or UEFA where they say what you claimed.
jts1882
Dean Richards
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Most of the clubs in debt and in trouble are not in European competition.
Platini has regularly made is position clear on clubs with an unfair advantage. To him unacceptable debt was clubs like Chelsea.
E.g. from 2008 ...
United's debt has nothing to do with unfair playing field (quite the opposite) so possibly this reveals his main agenda.
Most of the clubs in debt and in trouble are not in European competition.
Platini has regularly made is position clear on clubs with an unfair advantage. To him unacceptable debt was clubs like Chelsea.
E.g. from 2008 ...
United's debt has nothing to do with unfair playing field (quite the opposite) so possibly this reveals his main agenda.
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Steve Sedgley
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JTS:
Many of the clubs in debt and in trouble got into that by aiming for European football and (sooner or later) failing. Like Leeds, budgeting for CL football every season. But putting a potential glass ceiling for how far clubs can get by overspending at only domestic success UEFA limit the motivation for that overspending significantly. It becomes much less appealing for a chairman or owner to gamble with the club's future by taking big loans because even if they succeed they won't break that glass ceiling. Thus the kind of gamble that Leeds made has less of a reward and is at least theoretically less likely to happen.
Once again in your quote he's talking about debt, the potential for a collapse, buying success on credit. Not straight up cash injections.
Besides that, talk is relatively cheap from Platini and the associations. We will see what they end up doing with clubs like PSG when the time comes, but personally I don't think the FFP regulations are set up to stop teams like Chelsea and City at least. (PSG are a different beast at the moment, like I said - we'll see.) On the other hand the regulations are set up to prevent Leeds style overspending if UEFA want to enforce it.
Which agenda is it you're hinting to about Manchester United? Did any of Platini's quotes include anything about United? Seems to me that the United part was added for information by the journalist...
JTS:
Many of the clubs in debt and in trouble got into that by aiming for European football and (sooner or later) failing. Like Leeds, budgeting for CL football every season. But putting a potential glass ceiling for how far clubs can get by overspending at only domestic success UEFA limit the motivation for that overspending significantly. It becomes much less appealing for a chairman or owner to gamble with the club's future by taking big loans because even if they succeed they won't break that glass ceiling. Thus the kind of gamble that Leeds made has less of a reward and is at least theoretically less likely to happen.
Once again in your quote he's talking about debt, the potential for a collapse, buying success on credit. Not straight up cash injections.
Besides that, talk is relatively cheap from Platini and the associations. We will see what they end up doing with clubs like PSG when the time comes, but personally I don't think the FFP regulations are set up to stop teams like Chelsea and City at least. (PSG are a different beast at the moment, like I said - we'll see.) On the other hand the regulations are set up to prevent Leeds style overspending if UEFA want to enforce it.
Which agenda is it you're hinting to about Manchester United? Did any of Platini's quotes include anything about United? Seems to me that the United part was added for information by the journalist...
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Sorry, was a little misled on my 'facts' yesterday. Instead of just ticket revenue, its match day income which has nearly doubled. Not quite as impressive considering how low it is in proportion to our league position, but still.
I don't think UEFA would have any worries expelling us from European football. We aren't a massive club at all, we have only just qualified past the group stages for the first time. I would say the same for PSG, but Platini won't kick them out because of the familial ties which have been curiously overlooked whenever a UEFA executive has spoken out...
Sorry, was a little misled on my 'facts' yesterday. Instead of just ticket revenue, its match day income which has nearly doubled. Not quite as impressive considering how low it is in proportion to our league position, but still.
I don't think UEFA would have any worries expelling us from European football. We aren't a massive club at all, we have only just qualified past the group stages for the first time. I would say the same for PSG, but Platini won't kick them out because of the familial ties which have been curiously overlooked whenever a UEFA executive has spoken out...
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Andy Thompson
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How did it happen if attendances stayed similar? Did they increase the price of hot dogs or beer, or increase the cost of certain corporate boxes for Middle Eastern gentlemen, or just because you got further in the cups, or Europe?
How did it happen if attendances stayed similar? Did they increase the price of hot dogs or beer, or increase the cost of certain corporate boxes for Middle Eastern gentlemen, or just because you got further in the cups, or Europe?
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A lot of it has been because of increased participation in competitions, but even in a lot of these games we sold more tickets. It was well publicised among a few posters on here that we weren't selling out (for want of a better phrase
) for Champions League games, and rightly so. We weren't even getting close, even against teams like Dortmund and Madrid. But I believe we sold out for the first time, against Bayern this season. This combined with higher prices in more desirable places, and a better experience here (things like padded seats are in these seats for regular season ticket holders).
In terms of food and drink, it's a hot dog and a beer for £4.50. I don't get to many away games so I don't know how that compares, but it's always been too high for me anyway.
A lot of it has been because of increased participation in competitions, but even in a lot of these games we sold more tickets. It was well publicised among a few posters on here that we weren't selling out (for want of a better phrase
) for Champions League games, and rightly so. We weren't even getting close, even against teams like Dortmund and Madrid. But I believe we sold out for the first time, against Bayern this season. This combined with higher prices in more desirable places, and a better experience here (things like padded seats are in these seats for regular season ticket holders).In terms of food and drink, it's a hot dog and a beer for £4.50. I don't get to many away games so I don't know how that compares, but it's always been too high for me anyway.
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Erik Edman
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Comparing the year on year figures in Deloitte's reports shows:
Most of the £40m increase has come from greater commercial income; although the exact nature of this additional income seems rather mysterious. Matchday income only accounts for £8.8m of the increase. I suspect that when Emirates Marketing Project eventually release their annual report we will see that most of the extra matchday income has come from hospitality, catering, etc. and very little from gate receipts.
Comparing the year on year figures in Deloitte's reports shows:
Revenue Matchday Broadcasting Commercial TOTAL | 2013 £m 39.6 88.4 143.0 271.0 | 2012 £m 30.8 88.2 112.1 231.1 |
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Arthur Rowe
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very favourably, in my experience its nearly double that at most places
very favourably, in my experience its nearly double that at most places