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Financial Fair Play

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Queens Park Rangers are on course to be hit with the biggest fine in British football history, which, in a worse-case scenario, could top £60 million.

Ironically, it will be imposed because of the amount of money they are losing — believed to be a huge £80m for last season — and will compound their financial troubles, perhaps sparking meltdown.

They have racked up big debts and massive annual losses largely through signing dozens of players on huge contracts in recent seasons, including Chris Samba, Park Ji-Sung, Julio Cesar, Jermaine Jenas, Loic Remy and others, most of whom remain on the club’s books, draining their resources with contracts worth up to £100,000 a week.

If QPR are promoted this season, the fine will be levied in January 2015 by the Football League under their new Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules, which will see overspending clubs ‘taxed’ on their losses. Rangers are currently favourites to go up to the Premier League from the Championship this season. They could avoid a fine — or at least postpone it — if they fail to get promoted. In that case, they will be hit with a lengthy transfer embargo.

The mathematics are complicated, but in broad terms, Championship clubs will pay a £1 fine for every £1 they lose over £18m in the 2013-14 financial year.

Sources familiar with QPR’s financial situation have told The Mail on Sunday that the club will post losses for 2012-13 of about £80m. The club are not obliged to publish those accounts until next spring and have declined to comment.

Rangers are two-thirds owned by Malaysian businessman Tony Fernandes and one-third by the Mittal family. Fernandes’s majority shareholding gives him ultimate power and it is he who sanctioned the hiring of Mark Hughes and then Harry Redknapp, allowing both to sign large groups of players.

It is expected that the club will record another massive deficit for the current season, and it is the losses in 2013-14 that will be measured to calculate any fine.

If QPR’s losses for the season are £80m, the fine will be about £62m. That would equate to roughly all of QPR’s Premier League income (if they are promoted) for next season. Even if 2013-14 losses are as ‘low’ as £60m, a fine of more than £40m would follow.

‘This is the first season in which clubs will ultimately face sanctions [for over-spending],’ a Football League spokesman told The Mail on Sunday. ‘Clubs have to submit their accounts for 2013-14 to us by December 1, 2014, with sanctions levied early in 2015. If a club being sanctioned are in the Premier League by then, the fine will need to be paid.’

QPR’s accounts for 2012-13, in which they were relegated from the Premier League, have not been made public, nor will the club confirm when they will be. Asked to comment on their expected losses last season and this season, and on the potentially destructive fines, a Loftus Road spokesman said: ‘The club will be making no comment on [these] matters at this time.’

The Mail on Sunday can reveal that the Football League plan to donate fines levied under their FFP rules to charity. It had previously been expected that fines paid by overspending clubs would be shared among clubs who stayed within the rules and did not lose huge amounts while trying to ‘buy’ success. But a senior FL source says giving the fines to charity is now the preferred option ‘for a number of political reasons’.

The last publicly available accounts for QPR relate to the 2011-12 season, when they made a loss of £22.6m, had debts of £89m and a wage bill that had almost doubled year-on-year from £29.7m to £58.4m.

That huge wage bill was before they signed high-earning players like Samba, Park, Rob Green, Junior Hoilett, Ryan Nelsen, Jose Bosingwa, Julio Cesar, Stephane Mbia, Remy and Jenas.

The wage bill for QPR’s relegation season is expected to be about £90m, or, by itself, about 150 per cent of the club’s total income of about £65m. A ‘sensible’ wage ratio is closer to 50 per cent of turnover. They have cut some costs since last season, releasing or selling 11 players in the summer including Samba, Bosingwa and Anton Ferdinand.

But they also signed eight new players on permanent deals and loaned three others including Benoit Assou-Ekotto from Tottenham and Niko Kranjcar from Dynamo Kiev.

QPR’s income will also have plunged between last season in the Premier League and this season in the Championship, largely through reduction in TV money.


www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2508505/QPR-face-record-fine-losing-80million.html
 
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Queens Park Rangers are on course to be hit with the biggest fine in British football history, which, in a worse-case scenario, could top £60 million.

Ironically, it will be imposed because of the amount of money they are losing — believed to be a huge £80m for last season — and will compound their financial troubles, perhaps sparking meltdown.

They have racked up big debts and massive annual losses largely through signing dozens of players on huge contracts in recent seasons, including Chris Samba, Park Ji-Sung, Julio Cesar, Jermaine Jenas, Loic Remy and others, most of whom remain on the club’s books, draining their resources with contracts worth up to £100,000 a week.

If QPR are promoted this season, the fine will be levied in January 2015 by the Football League under their new Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules, which will see overspending clubs ‘taxed’ on their losses. Rangers are currently favourites to go up to the Premier League from the Championship this season. They could avoid a fine — or at least postpone it — if they fail to get promoted. In that case, they will be hit with a lengthy transfer embargo.

The mathematics are complicated, but in broad terms, Championship clubs will pay a £1 fine for every £1 they lose over £18m in the 2013-14 financial year.

Sources familiar with QPR’s financial situation have told The Mail on Sunday that the club will post losses for 2012-13 of about £80m. The club are not obliged to publish those accounts until next spring and have declined to comment.

Rangers are two-thirds owned by Malaysian businessman Tony Fernandes and one-third by the Mittal family. Fernandes’s majority shareholding gives him ultimate power and it is he who sanctioned the hiring of Mark Hughes and then Harry Redknapp, allowing both to sign large groups of players.

It is expected that the club will record another massive deficit for the current season, and it is the losses in 2013-14 that will be measured to calculate any fine.

If QPR’s losses for the season are £80m, the fine will be about £62m. That would equate to roughly all of QPR’s Premier League income (if they are promoted) for next season. Even if 2013-14 losses are as ‘low’ as £60m, a fine of more than £40m would follow.

‘This is the first season in which clubs will ultimately face sanctions [for over-spending],’ a Football League spokesman told The Mail on Sunday. ‘Clubs have to submit their accounts for 2013-14 to us by December 1, 2014, with sanctions levied early in 2015. If a club being sanctioned are in the Premier League by then, the fine will need to be paid.’

QPR’s accounts for 2012-13, in which they were relegated from the Premier League, have not been made public, nor will the club confirm when they will be. Asked to comment on their expected losses last season and this season, and on the potentially destructive fines, a Loftus Road spokesman said: ‘The club will be making no comment on [these] matters at this time.’

The Mail on Sunday can reveal that the Football League plan to donate fines levied under their FFP rules to charity. It had previously been expected that fines paid by overspending clubs would be shared among clubs who stayed within the rules and did not lose huge amounts while trying to ‘buy’ success. But a senior FL source says giving the fines to charity is now the preferred option ‘for a number of political reasons’.

The last publicly available accounts for QPR relate to the 2011-12 season, when they made a loss of £22.6m, had debts of £89m and a wage bill that had almost doubled year-on-year from £29.7m to £58.4m.

That huge wage bill was before they signed high-earning players like Samba, Park, Rob Green, Junior Hoilett, Ryan Nelsen, Jose Bosingwa, Julio Cesar, Stephane Mbia, Remy and Jenas.

The wage bill for QPR’s relegation season is expected to be about £90m, or, by itself, about 150 per cent of the club’s total income of about £65m. A ‘sensible’ wage ratio is closer to 50 per cent of turnover. They have cut some costs since last season, releasing or selling 11 players in the summer including Samba, Bosingwa and Anton Ferdinand.

But they also signed eight new players on permanent deals and loaned three others including Benoit Assou-Ekotto from Tottenham and Niko Kranjcar from Dynamo Kiev.

QPR’s income will also have plunged between last season in the Premier League and this season in the Championship, largely through reduction in TV money.


www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2508505/QPR-face-record-fine-losing-80million.html

Reminds me of the situation at Portsmouth, what the link i wonder ;)
 
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Funny that three clubs have been put in money problems and the link is the same manager.


The manager can only spend the money if the chairman allows it, it is up to the chairman to run the club properly. If I owned a company and a manager said we need to take on x more staff to increase productivity but I knew that we couldn't afford it and was risking the future of the business then I would say no. Why do you think Spurs are ok after Redknapp has been our manager? Daniel levy is a good chairman who knows how to run a company properly.
 
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The manager can only spend the money if the chairman allows it, it is up to the chairman to run the club properly. If I owned a company and a manager said we need to take on x more staff to increase productivity but I knew that we couldn't afford it and was risking the future of the business then I would say no. Why do you think Spurs are ok after Redknapp has been our manager? Daniel levy is a good chairman who knows how to run a company properly.

I do not disagree with that part at all, Redknapp is a chancer and the fact that three clubs allowed him to sweet talk them into throwing money down the drain shows that after all he is/was a " wheeler dealer".:lol:
 
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I do not disagree with that part at all, Redknapp is a chancer and the fact that three clubs allowed him to sweet talk them into throwing money down the drain shows that after all he is/was a " wheeler dealer".:lol:

Maybe he is a 'wheeler dealer' although Harry says he 'fecking isn't' but the chairmen should have grown a pair and stood up to him. Their responsibilty was the running of the club.
 
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Maybe he is a 'wheeler dealer' although Harry says he 'fecking isn't' but the chairmen should have grown a pair and stood up to him. Their responsibilty was the running of the club.


Well we know he speaks with forked tongue, but as i say its a fact that he has been involved in overspending at 3 clubs which was/is the main point.

But we are going round in circles and i will leave it for others to believe what they will.
 
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Maybe he is a 'wheeler dealer' although Harry says he 'fecking isn't' but the chairmen should have grown a pair and stood up to him. Their responsibilty was the running of the club.

Exactly.

Blaming Harry for the financial ineptitude of clubs like Portsmouth, Southampton & Bournemouth is simply a red herring - all these clubs had Chairmen, Chief Financial Officers and Boards of Directors who were there to ensure fiscal responsibility.

It was they who collectively failed their clubs, not Harry.
 
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Exactly.

Blaming Harry for the financial ineptitude of clubs like Portsmouth, Southampton & Bournemouth is simply a red herring - all these clubs had Chairmen, Chief Financial Officers and Boards of Directors who were there to ensure fiscal responsibility.

It was they who collectively failed their clubs, not Harry.

I agree.

But I also think it's fair to say that some managers take a long term and financial responsibility for the clubs they manage. They work towards building sustainable clubs with the transfers they make and push for. Others, like Redknapp, do not. At least not to the same extent, it's not an either/or situation and more of a continuum.

It doesn't mean that the managers that don't take this responsibility are primarily responsible for the potential financial problems the clubs they manage get into, but it's a worthy observation.
 
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Thought that this thread would be the best place to put this... just goes to show the gulf in spending power between the likes of ManU, Emirates Marketing Project and Chavski to ourselves... hopefully that new stadium is up and running before long so that we can narrow the wage gap at least...

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http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2013/10/24/arsene-wenger-what-is-he-good-for-251001/

Chelsea topped the wage bill in 2000-01? No wonder they nearly went under.
 
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QPR’s accounts for 2012-13, in which they were relegated from the Premier League, have not been made public, nor will the club confirm when they will be. Asked to comment on their expected losses last season and this season, and on the potentially destructive fines, a Loftus Road spokesman said: ‘The club will be making no comment on [these] matters at this time.’

I wonder if they can find a way of front-loading the losses into the PL season. For instance, pay bonuses and excess salaries as part of last season's budget, so that the players get more normal Championship wages during this season and limit the losses.
 
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The European Commission announced on Wednesday it was investigating seven Spanish clubs, including Real Madrid and Barcelona, over public funding issues.

Madrid, Barcelona, Athletic Bilbao and Osasuna are all being investigated for possible tax privileges, while Madrid are also the subject of another inquiry regarding the transfer of land with the City of Madrid.

The other three clubs involved, Valencia, Elche and Hercules, are being investigated by the commission over aid received from the state-owned Valencia Institute of Finance.

Here are the measures for which each club is being investigated, as announced in a statement by the European Commission:

Real Madrid, Barcelona, Athletic Bilbao and Osasuna

"Since 1990: Possible privileges regarding corporate taxation of Real Madrid CF, Barcelona CF, Athletic Club Bilbao, and Club Atletico Osasuna - These four clubs are exempted from the general obligation for professional football clubs to convert into sport limited companies. The effect of this exemption is that these clubs enjoy a preferential corporate tax rate of 25 per cent instead of 30 per cent applicable to sport limited companies."

Real Madrid

"2011: Real Madrid appears to have benefited from a very advantageous real property swap with the City of Madrid. This swap was based on a re-evaluation of a plot of land at a value of €22.7 million, instead of its earlier supposed value in 1998 of €595,000."

Valencia

"2009: State guarantee by the Valencia Institute of Finance for a bank loan of €75m from Bancaja (now Bankia) to Fundacion Valencia Club de Futbol, which was used to finance the acquisition of shares of Valencia CF by the Fundacion Valencia.

"2010 and 2013: The Valencia Institute of Finance increased its guarantee to Fundacion Valencia Club de Futbol by €6m and €5m, respectively, to cover overdue capital, interest and costs, stemming from defaulted payments of the guaranteed loan previously granted to CF Valencia."

Hercules

"2010: State guarantee by the Valencia Institute of Finance for a bank loan of €18m from Caja de Ahorros del Mediterraneo to Fundacion Hercules de Alicante, which was used to finance the acquisition of shares of Hercules CF by Fundacion Hercules de Alicante."

Elche

"2013: State guarantee by the Valencia Institute of Finance for two bank loans of totally €14m, from CAM (€9m) and from Banco de Valencia (€5m), to Fundacion Elche Club de Futbol, which was used to finance the acquisition of shares of Elche CF by Fundacion Elche Club de Futbol."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/la-liga/10525942/Real-Madrid-and-Barcelona-face-European-Commission-investigation-over-tax-privileges-and-local-government-aid.html

About bloody time!
 
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Bolton Wanderers could be forced to offload their prized assets in January after revealing debts totalling a staggering £163.8million.

The Championship club - who were relegated from the Premier League in May 2012 after spending 12 years in the top flight - have now not recorded a profit for 11 consecutive seasons.

Bolton's parent company Burnden Leisure PLC have reported losses of £50.7m, rising an already substantial 2012 debt figure from £136.5m.

Wanderers chairman Phil Gartside said: 'This year's results show the difficulties faced in the football business when a club has enjoyed a sustained and successful period in the Premier League, in our case 11 years, then suffers relegation back to the Football League Championship.'

The £50.7m figure is the single biggest loss in the club's history, and that was lowered by the club according to 'a number of one-off exceptional items relating to balance sheet impairments and other accounting adjustments.'

Bolton cut costs after last year's relegation. The wage bill stands at £32.7m - its lowest level since 2007 - and total staff costs were down to £37.4m from £55.3m. Turnover, however, was down by £30m from £58.5m to £28.5m, with advertising revenue falling from £4.3m to £1.4m.

Perhaps most worryingly, attendances at the Reebok Stadium are down by 28 per cent, meaning gate receipts have dropped from £5.7m to £3.8m.

Wanderers chairman Phil Gartside said: 'This year's results show the difficulties faced in the football business when a club has enjoyed a sustained and successful period in the Premier League, in our case 11 years, then suffers relegation back to the Football League Championship.'

The £50.7m figure is the single biggest loss in the club's history, and that was lowered by the club according to 'a number of one-off exceptional items relating to balance sheet impairments and other accounting adjustments.'

Bolton cut costs after last year's relegation. The wage bill stands at £32.7m - its lowest level since 2007 - and total staff costs were down to £37.4m from £55.3m. Turnover, however, was down by £30m from £58.5m to £28.5m, with advertising revenue falling from £4.3m to £1.4m.

Perhaps most worryingly, attendances at the Reebok Stadium are down by 28 per cent, meaning gate receipts have dropped from £5.7m to £3.8m.

'This year we secured sole ownership of the hotel, expanded our education business and applied for planning permission to increase our non-football operations to improve revenues over the medium to long term.

'We will continue to invest, both in the long and short term, where the returns can be justified.

'However, Financial Fair Play rules require an alternative funding structure and Bolton Wanderers is very much moving towards a self-sustainable future.

'Looking forward we have to recognise we are no longer a Premier League club in the Championship, but a Championship club with ambitions to play in the Premier League - a stark reality of the financial rules now imposed.'

Dougie Freedman's side are currently struggling down in 18th place in Championship.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2531603/Bolton-financial-trouble-Championship-strugglers-announce-crippling-debts-163-8m.html
 
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This just shows me that too many team rely on the money from the premier league and over pay players and signings to stay there when they should be more responsible and sustainable. Mr Gardside is blaming relegation for the loss in income when he should be blaming himself for allowing Bolton to get that much in debt on income that is not consistent. I believe they have their parachute payments so what is he going on about?
 
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