Feminist who carries a personal space box hahaha

[chicken_badge]

If you google "personal space box" the only toe things that come up is the original tweet of this with only a photo and an assumption it's a feminist marking out her personal space, and this very thread on GG.

It could just be someone carrying a piece of artwork or a fishtank without glass or something.

 

[tommysvr]

I've just realised that due to the misogynistic nature of our society, I've always assumed you were male. If you are a feminist, I apologise for the assumption.

Although with the sensible shoes/hair you almost certainly have, I'm probably not the first to make that mistake

I am male. Hence the name Tommy.

 

[johnola]

If you google "personal space box" the only toe things that come up is the original tweet of this with only a photo and an assumption it's a feminist marking out her personal space, and this very thread on GG.

It could just be someone carrying a piece of artwork or a fishtank without glass or something.

Sheshtank of fish.

 

[Flannerz]

Everyone should lean into her and take selfies to **** her off

 

[braineclipse]

Hehe, you're right. It's quite funny and ironic that this thread stands as good evidence why feminism exists in the first place.

Which parts exactly? I don't see it myself...

 

[Spaceman]

women

 

[Whiffler]

Do you think people are keeping their distance because she hasn't washed her box lately?

 

[Daisuk]

Which parts exactly? I don't see it myself...

The parts where the men in this thread are judging this woman based on her looks and by her supposed intentions, insinuating she might be a 'dyke', and that the frame she's carrying would get in the way of her doing the dishes? And again, there's no story to support the supposition here, 'feminist who carries personal space box hahahaha', therefore simply assumes that this woman on the subway, is a feminist with a need to defend her personal space with a metal frame. This wouldn't be a thread on here, or anywhere on the internet, if it was a man standing on the subway with that metal frame.

I know all the comments on here are made in good humor, of course, and I don't personally take offense, but this just wouldn't be a story or a thing to discuss if there was a man on that photo instead of a woman.

 

[braineclipse]

The parts where the men in this thread are judging this woman based on her looks and by her supposed intentions, insinuating she might be a 'dyke', and that the frame she's carrying would get in the way of her doing the dishes? And again, there's no story to support the supposition here, 'feminist who carries personal space box hahahaha', therefore simply assumes that this woman on the subway, is a feminist with a need to defend her personal space with a metal frame. This wouldn't be a thread on here, or anywhere on the internet, if it was a man standing on the subway with that metal frame.

I know all the comments on here are made in good humor, of course, and I don't personally take offense, but this just wouldn't be a story or a thing to discuss if there was a man on that photo instead of a woman.

Might be that my interpretation of history is too literal since I think the reasons feminism existed in the first place had more to do with stuff like voting rights, freedom to work and equal pay, freedom to make sexual and health decisions, an end to religious oppression aimed at women and similarly important issues rather than insinuations and (arguably) distasteful jokes on the internet.

As for people judging her on her looks on the internet, yeah, that would never happen with men...

(I would include a picture of Sam Allardyce too, but I wouldn't want to lose my lunch or have google record me doing a Sam Allardyce image search - there are some lines I don't want to cross on the internet)

As for the assumption that this was a feminist in the first place, the point is that this is funny because it could be. Some modern self proclaimed feminists have gone far enough that they are quickly closing in on Poe's law territory if they're not well within it already. In other words they're getting to the point where it's becoming almost impossible to separate them from people parodying them. Seriously, I wouldn't have been surprised if this woman came forward and said it was just a cube she was carrying to work or if she came forward and said it was a personal space box. That's part of what makes it funny.

If there's a male activist group or label that is beyond parody in a similar fashion I don't know about it, but plenty of men are part of other groups that are similarly ridiculed.

 

[tommysvr]

The parts where the men in this thread are judging this woman based on her looks and by her supposed intentions, insinuating she might be a 'dyke', and that the frame she's carrying would get in the way of her doing the dishes? And again, there's no story to support the supposition here, 'feminist who carries personal space box hahahaha', therefore simply assumes that this woman on the subway, is a feminist with a need to defend her personal space with a metal frame. This wouldn't be a thread on here, or anywhere on the internet, if it was a man standing on the subway with that metal frame.

I know all the comments on here are made in good humor, of course, and I don't personally take offense, but this just wouldn't be a story or a thing to discuss if there was a man on that photo instead of a woman.

Well said

 

[Daisuk]

Might be that my interpretation of history is too literal since I think the reasons feminism existed in the first place had more to do with stuff like voting rights, freedom to work and equal pay, freedom to make sexual and health decisions, an end to religious oppression aimed at women and similarly important issues rather than insinuations and (arguably) distasteful jokes on the internet.

As for people judging her on her looks on the internet, yeah, that would never happen with men...

(I would include a picture of Sam Allardyce too, but I wouldn't want to lose my lunch or have google record me doing a Sam Allardyce image search - there are some lines I don't want to cross on the internet)

As for the assumption that this was a feminist in the first place, the point is that this is funny because it could be. Some modern self proclaimed feminists have gone far enough that they are quickly closing in on Poe's law territory if they're not well within it already. In other words they're getting to the point where it's becoming almost impossible to separate them from people parodying them. Seriously, I wouldn't have been surprised if this woman came forward and said it was just a cube she was carrying to work or if she came forward and said it was a personal space box. That's part of what makes it funny.

If there's a male activist group or label that is beyond parody in a similar fashion I don't know about it, but plenty of men are part of other groups that are similarly ridiculed.

I think I worded myself poorly when I said 'existed in the first place'. What I meant to say was - I think one of the reasons why feminism is still relevant today, even in western societies, is because women are too often judged, by men, by their looks, in situations where looks shouldn't be relevant.

You are right about the humor part of it, of course. And part of what makes GG's 'randomination'-forum fun to visit is the political incorrectness.

 

[Superted]

Women do it too. Mainly about other women.

 

[braineclipse]

I think I worded myself poorly when I said 'existed in the first place'. What I meant to say was - I think one of the reasons why feminism is still relevant today, even in western societies, is because women are too often judged, by men, by their looks, in situations where looks shouldn't be relevant.

You are right about the humor part of it, of course. And part of what makes GG's 'randomination'-forum fun to visit is the political incorrectness.

I think feminism (assuming a definition aiming towards equality) is still relevant also in western countries, mainly because of old traditional bigoted views still surviving and (often religious) viewpoints that persist.

Human beings as sexual beings often judge others based on their appearance. This shouldn't be a big deal in itself, although many things sexual do often end up being bigger deals than they should. Men judging women solely on their looks would be a real issue, but I think that happens relatively infrequently. In this case although there were some jokes being made about her appearance the idea that someone would carry around a personal space box was what was being ridiculed, not her looks.

A lot of these things are far from isolated to men judging women though as superted pointed out. There are many other examples too, some of which are pointed out here for example: http://www.forbes.com/sites/tykiisel/2013/03/20/you-are-judged-by-your-appearance/

The fact is that judging people on their appearance seems at least somewhat strongly to have a biological basis and it's hard to get by. We should continue to work to minimize this and of course if people are judged solely based on their appearance this is a real issue, but these issues for me at least transcend feminism in most western countries. That doesn't make feminism irrelevant of course, but jokes like those in this thread doesn't make it relevant either imo.

At least some feminists seem to be aimed at something different from equality, some are starting to look like activists without a cause and some have set their own interest groups up for well deserved ridicule.

 

[scaramanga]

The parts where the men in this thread are judging this woman based on her looks and by her supposed intentions, insinuating she might be a 'dyke', and that the frame she's carrying would get in the way of her doing the dishes? And again, there's no story to support the supposition here, 'feminist who carries personal space box hahahaha', therefore simply assumes that this woman on the subway, is a feminist with a need to defend her personal space with a metal frame. This wouldn't be a thread on here, or anywhere on the internet, if it was a man standing on the subway with that metal frame.

I know all the comments on here are made in good humor, of course, and I don't personally take offense, but this just wouldn't be a story or a thing to discuss if there was a man on that photo instead of a woman.

Why shouldn't we judge women by how they look?

I judge men and women by all kinds of arbitrary, subjective measures all the time - how they look, how well/poorly they dress, perceived intelligence, accents, body language, etc.

I've known (not in the biblical sense, obviously) quite a few 'intentionally plain' women and do you know what? Almost without exception they get lonely and start wearing better clothes/make up to go on dates. Despite how much they convince themselves that their brains are more important, they all want a man or woman and all humans are driven sexually by looks. I may choose my long-term partners on a mix of brains and looks but I don't want to **** anyone because of their number theory ability. Intentionally dressing down like that (if that is what she's doing) is just such a ridiculous thing to do - it essentially motivated by spite which is the most pointless of reasons to do anything.

As for the frame - it is funny. At the very least it's a student who looks a bit silly because they didn't properly think through where to put their art installation together. At best it's a ridiculous woman who is doing the equivalent of me walking up to strangers in the street, showing them my wedding ring and saying "Sorry, I'm taken so you can't touch my c0ck".

 

[braineclipse]

Why shouldn't we judge women by how they look?

I judge men and women by all kinds of arbitrary, subjective measures all the time - how they look, how well/poorly they dress, perceived intelligence, accents, body language, etc.

I've known (not in the biblical sense, obviously) quite a few 'intentionally plain' women and do you know what? Almost without exception they get lonely and start wearing better clothes/make up to go on dates. Despite how much they convince themselves that their brains are more important, they all want a man or woman and all humans are driven sexually by looks. I may choose my long-term partners on a mix of brains and looks but I don't want to **** anyone because of their number theory ability. Intentionally dressing down like that (if that is what she's doing) is just such a ridiculous thing to do - it essentially motivated by spite which is the most pointless of reasons to do anything.

As for the frame - it is funny. At the very least it's a student who looks a bit silly because they didn't properly think through where to put their art installation together. At best it's a ridiculous woman who is doing the equivalent of me walking up to strangers in the street, showing them my wedding ring and saying "Sorry, I'm taken so you can't touch my c0ck".

Solid post Scara.

I think at best it's unhealthy to suppress or expect others to suppress basic instincts based on sexual desire.

 

[Daisuk]

Why shouldn't we judge women by how they look?

I judge men and women by all kinds of arbitrary, subjective measures all the time - how they look, how well/poorly they dress, perceived intelligence, accents, body language, etc.

I've known (not in the biblical sense, obviously) quite a few 'intentionally plain' women and do you know what? Almost without exception they get lonely and start wearing better clothes/make up to go on dates. Despite how much they convince themselves that their brains are more important, they all want a man or woman and all humans are driven sexually by looks. I may choose my long-term partners on a mix of brains and looks but I don't want to **** anyone because of their number theory ability. Intentionally dressing down like that (if that is what she's doing) is just such a ridiculous thing to do - it essentially motivated by spite which is the most pointless of reasons to do anything.

As for the frame - it is funny. At the very least it's a student who looks a bit silly because they didn't properly think through where to put their art installation together. At best it's a ridiculous woman who is doing the equivalent of me walking up to strangers in the street, showing them my wedding ring and saying "Sorry, I'm taken so you can't touch my c0ck".

If you're looking for a partner or for a model to hire for your commercial or for some other venture where a woman's (or a man's) looks is of importance, judging someone by their looks only makes sense, of course, but if you're judging a woman's (or a man's) abilities to be an engineer, a footballer, a musician, a prime minister or say a Sky Sports presenter by the way he or she looks, I'd say you're looking for the wrong thing. Sexism in the work place, for instance, is still a big problem for a lot of women, when it really shouldn't be.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/womens-blog/2014/mar/21/women-workplace-everyday-sexism
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ant-aimed-Sky-Sports-presenter-Tomlinson.html

You all know the last one there.

 

[scaramanga]

If you're looking for a partner or for a model to hire for your commercial or for some other venture where a woman's (or a man's) looks is of importance, judging someone by their looks only makes sense, of course, but if you're judging a woman's (or a man's) abilities to be an engineer, a footballer, a musician, a prime minister or say a Sky Sports presenter by the way he or she looks, I'd say you're looking for the wrong thing. Sexism in the work place, for instance, is still a big problem for a lot of women, when it really shouldn't be.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/womens-blog/2014/mar/21/women-workplace-everyday-sexism
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ant-aimed-Sky-Sports-presenter-Tomlinson.html

You all know the last one there.

When we're discussing the likelihood of someone wanting to touch someone else on the tube then I think their looks are just about the only relevant factor.

 

[braineclipse]

If you're looking for a partner or for a model to hire for your commercial or for some other venture where a woman's (or a man's) looks is of importance, judging someone by their looks only makes sense, of course, but if you're judging a woman's (or a man's) abilities to be an engineer, a footballer, a musician, a prime minister or say a Sky Sports presenter by the way he or she looks, I'd say you're looking for the wrong thing. Sexism in the work place, for instance, is still a big problem for a lot of women, when it really shouldn't be.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/womens-blog/2014/mar/21/women-workplace-everyday-sexism
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ant-aimed-Sky-Sports-presenter-Tomlinson.html

You all know the last one there.

Out of curiosity what was it about Scara's post that made you reply with this? It just seems like a complete non-sequitur to me.

 

[DHSF]

Women in general are just as bad as men, whoever thinks otherwise is naive.

 

[scaramanga]

Women in general are just as bad as men, whoever thinks otherwise is naive.

I'd say the (fairly) recent trend for almost all young men attending gyms looking to improve their physical characteristics shows that women are a good way there.

You're as likely to see a gym bunny on the arm of an older, wealthy woman as you are a little blonde on the arm of an old man now.