Daisuk
Dimitar Berbatov
Sounds ridiculous, if that's the plan. But let's see.
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European and Global Super League Plans
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Sounds ridiculous, if that's the plan. But let's see.
You expect UEFA and FIFA to provide a moral compass?
I find it fudging hilarious that people think those corrupt as fudge organizations would not approve something where they could get a kick back?
This is plan B to the Big Picture
And again, UK fans need to understand, absolutely plenty of people will pay money to watch this
Every week would be top sides playing each other (Super Sunday, whatever), you think the billions of people outside UK want to see fudging Burnley (e.g. as this week with Spurs) or Spurs playing a "brand name" like Barca/Milan/Juve/Ajax/Etc.?
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Remember the PL is already a powerful global brand in its own right, and one that thrives on promotion and relegation. So if the breakaway league is a closed shop the PL would retain one of its most potent USPs, it's competitive intensity, ie the one that has helped make it so globally appealing.
Maybe also once the Big Five left, the PL could boost its status by inviting five of the bigger rejected clubs in Europe to join and in effect become a more serious rival league capable of displacing what could in time become a very boring breakaway league.
Just a thought.
Maybe also once the Big Five left, the PL could boost its status by inviting five of the bigger rejected clubs in Europe to join and in effect become a more serious rival league capable of displacing what could in time become a very boring breakaway league.
Just a thought.
Where did I say I expect UEFA, FIFA, or anyone to provide a moral compass? Maybe read what I said and the article.
If you do read the article, FIFA is involved. It's not known if UEFA is involved.
If UEFA is not involved it's FIFA stepping on their turf and taking away their cash cow, the Champions League.
It'll also weaken the national leagues, so it would lead to a major clash between UEFA and the national leagues v FIFA.
It's UEFA looking after it's own interests and not being some guiding light to look up to.
And you really think this has been dreamt up in a week or so since Big Picture? To get FIFA and a major bank behind it this means it has been in the works for months.
The 5 teams will still play in the PL. PL at weekend and the European League midweek.
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Have to confess I've not followed all the speculation. So what would happen to the CL? How would that be accommodated alongside the breakaway league? Its all getting a bit too complicated for my liking !
It seems UEFA are opposed to it https://www.skysports.com/football/...-plans-for-cross-continental-super-tournament
CL would disappear or possibly teams not involved in the new European League would be involvedHave to confess I've not followed all the speculation. So what would happen to the CL? How would that be accommodated alongside the breakaway league? Its all getting a bit too complicated for my liking !
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Hanging their hat on something that doesn’t exist yet
greatwhitenorf
Edgar Davids
Lemme tell you. The best league in the world, bar none, is the Premier League.
Spurs-Burnley had miles more drama than that bitchy ballet played out by Barcelona-Juventus in the CL. Awful game.
Even the Bundesliga has better games up and down the division than when the so-called super clubs meet in CL group play. There's far too much focus with the big clubs on 'playing not to lose' rather than the blood and thunder that some of the lesser clubs can summon when they're anxious for a win and facing a bigger club.
Spurs-Burnley had miles more drama than that bitchy ballet played out by Barcelona-Juventus in the CL. Awful game.
Even the Bundesliga has better games up and down the division than when the so-called super clubs meet in CL group play. There's far too much focus with the big clubs on 'playing not to lose' rather than the blood and thunder that some of the lesser clubs can summon when they're anxious for a win and facing a bigger club.
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Absolutely.
Much of that comes about through fear of relegation from the most lucrative league in the world. Hence the glorious competitiveness of every game.
Whiffler
Jermaine Jenas
The FIFA super duper league is fermenting ....
jts1882
Dean Richards
European Super League would have six Premier League teams – each paid up to £310m to join
Fifa and Uefa issue joint statement to warn that players taking part would be ‘blacklisted’ and banned from World Cups
Founder members of a proposed European Super League would be offered up to £310 million each to join the competition and could earn as much as £213 million a season from it, according to an incendiary document seen by The Times.
Six English clubs would be among the 15 permanent founding members, according to sources with knowledge of the proposals. They also say that Manchester United, Real Madrid and AC Milan are the driving forces behind the plans for a Super League, to replace Uefa’s Champions League.
The 18-page proposal for the Super League says the 15 founding members and five other clubs, who would be decided via qualification each year, would be split into two groups of ten and play between 18 and 23 matches a season. The document adds that the potential revenues would be huge, with clubs having the rights to show some of the matches on their own digital platforms. The clubs would still also play in their domestic leagues.
The emergence of the document has caused extreme concern in the higher echelons of the European game and led Fifa to join Uefa in an agreement today to ban any player or club who joins the breakaway group. However, there is concern that a European court ruling last month could make it easier for unofficial and breakaway competitions to be set up without the approval of a governing body.
The Super League document does not break down the number of clubs from each country, but sources say the plan would be for six from England — presumably the “big six” of Liverpool, the two Manchester clubs, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur — plus three from Spain, three from Italy, from Germany and one from France. The investment bank JP Morgan Chase is in talks to provide financing for the project. Liverpool are understood to have been involved in the talks but Manchester United have been the main driving force from the Premier League.
The Super League proposals include:
The 15 founder clubs sharing an initial €3.5 billion (£3.1 billion) “infrastructure grant” ranging from £310 million to £89 million per club, which can be spent on stadiums, training facilities or “to replace lost stadium-related revenues due to Covid-19”
A projected annual prize fund of more than £2.66 billion, within which the founder clubs earn a minimum of £130 million and a maximum of £213 million a season (compared with a maximum of £100 million from the Champions League)
● Two groups of ten clubs who play home and away, with the top four from each group going through to the two-legged quarter-finals and semi-finals and a one-legged final
● Matches would be in midweek and clubs would still play in their respective domestic leagues
● Clubs would have the rights to show four matches a season on their own digital platforms across the world
● Income from TV and sponsorship would favour the founding clubs: 32.5 per cent of the pot would be shared equally among the 15 clubs, and another 32.5 per cent among all 20
● 20 per cent of the pot would be “merit” money “distributed in the same manner as the Premier League’s merit-based system” according to where clubs finish in the competition or group if they don’t make the knockout stage
● 15 per cent would be a “commercial share based on club awareness”
● 12 clubs would qualify for Fifa’s new Club World Cup
● A cap of 55 per cent of revenues would be imposed on salaries and transfers (net)
● A “Financial Sustainability Group” would monitor clubs’ spending
● Real Madrid and Barcelona would each receive an extra £27 million fee.
Lars-Christer Olsson, president of the European Leagues, which represents domestic leagues including the Premier League, said: “This is a significant threat to European football and would lead to a closed European Super League for a limited number of clubs similar to the franchise models operating in North America.”
Fifa, Uefa and the other five continental confederations have issued a joint statement warning that any player involved in such a league would be blacklisted and banned from tournaments such as the World Cup and European Championship.
The statement also follows a meeting this week between Real Madrid’s president, Florentino Pérez, who has been the driving force behind proposals for a Super League, and his Juventus counterpart, Andrea Agnelli, who is the chairman of the powerful European Club Association (ECA).
The joint statement by the footballing bodies is significant because Fifa’s president, Gianni Infantino, has signed up to it. Pérez outlined his plans to Infantino in 2019 but he had not categorically opposed a Super League until now. In return, Fifa appears to have won an agreement with Uefa over its new 24-team Club World Cup and will press ahead with the format.
The joint statement said of the proposed Super League: “Such a competition would not be recognised by either Fifa or the respective confederation. Any club or player involved in such a competition would as a consequence not be allowed to participate in any competition organised by Fifa or their respective confederation.
“As per the Fifa and confederations statutes, all competitions should be organised or recognised by the relevant body at their respective level, by Fifa at the global level and by the confederations at the continental level.”
As revealed by The Times, Uefa is planning to shake up the Champions League from 2024, with 32 or 36 clubs in a single division who are drawn to play ten opponents of varying strength based on seeding. The league table would then determine who goes through to the knockout rounds.
Manchester United and Liverpool both declined to comment. United’s executive vice-chairman, Ed Woodward, told a fans’ forum in November that the club were “at the centre of discussions about the future of European club competitions” but that most of his time was spent on strengthening existing Uefa competitions through his position on the ECA.
Key numbers behind plan
20 Teams involved: 15 permanent founder clubs and five qualifiers. The 15 clubs would include England’s “Big Six”, three from Spain, three from Italy, two from Germany and one from France
£3.5bn Start-up fund from sponsorship and broadcast revenue that would be split between the 15 clubs
10 The 20 teams would be split into two groups of ten and would play each other home and away during midweeks, with domestic leagues continuing at weekends
4 The top four in each group qualify for a knockout phase which would include two-legged quarter-finals, semi-finals and a single-leg final
Fifa and Uefa issue joint statement to warn that players taking part would be ‘blacklisted’ and banned from World Cups
Founder members of a proposed European Super League would be offered up to £310 million each to join the competition and could earn as much as £213 million a season from it, according to an incendiary document seen by The Times.
Six English clubs would be among the 15 permanent founding members, according to sources with knowledge of the proposals. They also say that Manchester United, Real Madrid and AC Milan are the driving forces behind the plans for a Super League, to replace Uefa’s Champions League.
The 18-page proposal for the Super League says the 15 founding members and five other clubs, who would be decided via qualification each year, would be split into two groups of ten and play between 18 and 23 matches a season. The document adds that the potential revenues would be huge, with clubs having the rights to show some of the matches on their own digital platforms. The clubs would still also play in their domestic leagues.
The emergence of the document has caused extreme concern in the higher echelons of the European game and led Fifa to join Uefa in an agreement today to ban any player or club who joins the breakaway group. However, there is concern that a European court ruling last month could make it easier for unofficial and breakaway competitions to be set up without the approval of a governing body.
The Super League document does not break down the number of clubs from each country, but sources say the plan would be for six from England — presumably the “big six” of Liverpool, the two Manchester clubs, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur — plus three from Spain, three from Italy, from Germany and one from France. The investment bank JP Morgan Chase is in talks to provide financing for the project. Liverpool are understood to have been involved in the talks but Manchester United have been the main driving force from the Premier League.
The Super League proposals include:
The 15 founder clubs sharing an initial €3.5 billion (£3.1 billion) “infrastructure grant” ranging from £310 million to £89 million per club, which can be spent on stadiums, training facilities or “to replace lost stadium-related revenues due to Covid-19”
A projected annual prize fund of more than £2.66 billion, within which the founder clubs earn a minimum of £130 million and a maximum of £213 million a season (compared with a maximum of £100 million from the Champions League)
● Two groups of ten clubs who play home and away, with the top four from each group going through to the two-legged quarter-finals and semi-finals and a one-legged final
● Matches would be in midweek and clubs would still play in their respective domestic leagues
● Clubs would have the rights to show four matches a season on their own digital platforms across the world
● Income from TV and sponsorship would favour the founding clubs: 32.5 per cent of the pot would be shared equally among the 15 clubs, and another 32.5 per cent among all 20
● 20 per cent of the pot would be “merit” money “distributed in the same manner as the Premier League’s merit-based system” according to where clubs finish in the competition or group if they don’t make the knockout stage
● 15 per cent would be a “commercial share based on club awareness”
● 12 clubs would qualify for Fifa’s new Club World Cup
● A cap of 55 per cent of revenues would be imposed on salaries and transfers (net)
● A “Financial Sustainability Group” would monitor clubs’ spending
● Real Madrid and Barcelona would each receive an extra £27 million fee.
Lars-Christer Olsson, president of the European Leagues, which represents domestic leagues including the Premier League, said: “This is a significant threat to European football and would lead to a closed European Super League for a limited number of clubs similar to the franchise models operating in North America.”
Fifa, Uefa and the other five continental confederations have issued a joint statement warning that any player involved in such a league would be blacklisted and banned from tournaments such as the World Cup and European Championship.
The statement also follows a meeting this week between Real Madrid’s president, Florentino Pérez, who has been the driving force behind proposals for a Super League, and his Juventus counterpart, Andrea Agnelli, who is the chairman of the powerful European Club Association (ECA).
The joint statement by the footballing bodies is significant because Fifa’s president, Gianni Infantino, has signed up to it. Pérez outlined his plans to Infantino in 2019 but he had not categorically opposed a Super League until now. In return, Fifa appears to have won an agreement with Uefa over its new 24-team Club World Cup and will press ahead with the format.
The joint statement said of the proposed Super League: “Such a competition would not be recognised by either Fifa or the respective confederation. Any club or player involved in such a competition would as a consequence not be allowed to participate in any competition organised by Fifa or their respective confederation.
“As per the Fifa and confederations statutes, all competitions should be organised or recognised by the relevant body at their respective level, by Fifa at the global level and by the confederations at the continental level.”
As revealed by The Times, Uefa is planning to shake up the Champions League from 2024, with 32 or 36 clubs in a single division who are drawn to play ten opponents of varying strength based on seeding. The league table would then determine who goes through to the knockout rounds.
Manchester United and Liverpool both declined to comment. United’s executive vice-chairman, Ed Woodward, told a fans’ forum in November that the club were “at the centre of discussions about the future of European club competitions” but that most of his time was spent on strengthening existing Uefa competitions through his position on the ECA.
Key numbers behind plan
20 Teams involved: 15 permanent founder clubs and five qualifiers. The 15 clubs would include England’s “Big Six”, three from Spain, three from Italy, two from Germany and one from France
£3.5bn Start-up fund from sponsorship and broadcast revenue that would be split between the 15 clubs
10 The 20 teams would be split into two groups of ten and would play each other home and away during midweeks, with domestic leagues continuing at weekends
4 The top four in each group qualify for a knockout phase which would include two-legged quarter-finals, semi-finals and a single-leg final
