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Grays_1890 said:
Yep, they either can't or won't put their own money in

Thing is, if you borrow against future income, that needs to be paid back, so the money won't be there in future unless you continue to do the same thing. But then to what point? 90m only buys you 3/4 of a player who changes this club
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Yeah...it's not massive money BUT borrowing money from the future is a slippery slope. You are relying on future outcomes (not just incomes) and the people in charge need to be smart (not saying they're not)
 
Lilbaz said:
The valuation is gonads by the media. Nobody knows the valuation. As it's what someone is eilling to pay and what the owners are willing to sell for.

The stadium cost £1bn. The training ground by now cost another £150m say.

Revenue will be £650m probably this year with concerts and cl. Higher than arsenal, chelsea and possibly liverpool.

So i dunno. It doesn't matter to us unless it happens.
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I agree on the valuation. It’s why I think no one has ever got past the asking price stage

Don’t forget though the stadium is only a value as a stadium and that also £600 in debt as an asset
At least the training complex could in theory be used for something else

I doubt our TO will be higher than those clubs mentioned but we will see.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
100%
As I’ve said loads, the naive fan base will lap it up as money in but all super short term and IMO clearly to cover costs (transfer debt is my guess)
It’s business but as you say, it’s less money to spend and also is typically at huge rates like a bridging loan
I’ve used bridging finance in property deals and it’s big money interest
I really really hope in wrong but when I saw Vinais speech the other day I was just thinking smoke and mirrors
I work in procurement (all be it sales now) and I’ve had to become a good judge of people on initial view…. He came across to me as a puppet. A very very well paid puppet. He may be a great operator but we would never know unless money is there and I just don’t see the Lewis hierarchy doing that
Also worth people considering the new Lewis leaders are old ish folk too
They aren’t young pups trying to make a mark as it may sound (again IMO)
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The money in is just restructuring our debt repayments on a more preferential interest rate. A short-term loan secured against future TV revenue is a pretty sure security for a club of our stature so the rate Macquarrie would apply should reflect that. From the last accounts, at 30 June 2024 we had over £400 million payable in the next 12 months and another tranche well over £400 million due over the longer term. And then there's stadium debt on top of all that
 
JerusalemMan said:
The money in is just restructuring our debt repayments on a more preferential interest rate. A short-term loan secured against future TV revenue is a pretty sure security for a club of our stature so the rate Macquarrie would apply should reflect that. From the last accounts, at 30 June 2024 we had over £400 million payable in the next 12 months and another tranche well over £400 million due over the longer term. And then there's stadium debt on top of all that
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That’s £800m plus the stadium debt?? That can’t be right
 
Lilbaz said:
It's risky. But the cl is such a massive thing to be in. They probably looked at the squad and how we finished last season and thought (as i did) that we're not getting in the cl again unless we make big changes.
Manager gone. Levy gone. 4 big signings that walk into the first 11. Now we have a good chance of getting in there again. Hopefully another trophy aswell.

If it works brilliant. If not the cl money pays that loan anyway.
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Tbh I think it just oiled the wheels for this summer's transfer window...due to payments we already owed, we needed a lump to aid cash flow and the signings we've just seen.
 
JerusalemMan said:
The money in is just restructuring our debt repayments on a more preferential interest rate. A short-term loan secured against future TV revenue is a pretty sure security for a club of our stature so the rate Macquarrie would apply should reflect that. From the last accounts, at 30 June 2024 we had over £400 million payable in the next 12 months and another tranche well over £400 million due over the longer term. And then there's stadium debt on top of all that
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I doubt the rate Macquarie have given us is no way close to any of our current debt rates.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I agree on the valuation. It’s why I think no one has ever got past the asking price stage

Don’t forget though the stadium is only a value as a stadium and that also £600 in debt as an asset
At least the training complex could in theory be used for something else

I doubt our TO will be higher than those clubs mentioned but we will see.
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Not talking about the last year. Talking the upcoming for revenue.
We won't see that in the financials till early 2027.
2026 will have chelsea in the cwc. Arsenal cl doing well in the league. Us winning el.

Last year we finished above both though._133166544_totalrevenue2022-2023-2x-3.png
 
Lilbaz said:
Not talking about the last year. Talking the upcoming for revenue.
We won't see that in the financials till early 2027.
2026 will have chelsea in the cwc. Arsenal cl doing well in the league. Us winning el.

Last year we finished above both though.
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Again we will see
Will be interesting where Chelsea book the revenue from the club wc
I did hear a pod a few months back talking about the 2 transfer windows
Post season and pre season this year causing money movement, and it’s when I said on here that Pool will do some big things. Worryingly I was right on that front
But back on us, my real worry is this loan is IMO a sign of the cash issue and therefore a sign that the Lewis’s won’t change a thing. I expected it but seeing the proof short term at least is a worrying moment
 
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Lilbaz said:
Not talking about the last year. Talking the upcoming for revenue.
We won't see that in the financials till early 2027.
2026 will have chelsea in the cwc. Arsenal cl doing well in the league. Us winning el.

Last year we finished above both though.View attachment 20456
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Just to point out that is Contes last season (the 2023 figure). We've had 2024s figure £524m that's Anges europeless first season (decent considering, although Kane sale inc) .
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Again we will see
Will be interesting where Chelsea book the revenue from the club wc
I did hear a pod a few months back talking about the 2 transfer windows
Post season and pre season this year causing money movement, and it’s when I said on here that Pool will do some big things. Worryingly I was right on that front
But back on us, my real worry is this loan is IMO a sign of the cash issue and therefore a sign that the Lewis’s won’t change a thing. I expected it but seeing the proof short term at least is a worrying moment
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Chelsea cwc will be 26 financials. I'm saying 27 which will be for the upcoming year.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Just to point out that is Contes last season (the 2023 figure). We've had 2024s figure £524m that's Anges europeless first season (decent considering, although Kane sale inc) .
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Yes. It's why this upcoming season i can see us getting above them again and possibly liverpool.

For a club that hasn't won much in the last 30 years. It's an achievement.

Obviously that needs to be focussed on the pitch.
 
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