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[harr1984]

I might be misremembering but as I recall there was general outrage across all clubs’ fans but the main protests were understandably from fans of the clubs directly involved.
I am glad it didn’t come to fruition. But I do think we will see some variation of it in the future. At which point fans will have to make a choice about what’s best for the club vs what’s best for football generally. I’d like to be in the latter group but not sure I could do that if it was bad for the club not to be involved. A bit of a moral dilemma.

Edit - if we are in contention at the time of course.

As much as most of us like to think we are morally correct, there are very few that follow through with such idealistic views regarding football.

The amount of times over the years I've heard 'I'm done with football' after the creation of the Premier League/Super League/Foreign ownership/VAR (insert latest update here), yet almost everyone continues to participate - its a drug, I don't know what the pinch point would be but as a collective and to date no matter how unhappy fan bases are they end up just 'going with the times' and it will be no different if/when some resemblence of a Super League goes ahead.....

 

[Muttley]

As much as most of us like to think we are morally correct, there are very few that follow through with such idealistic views regarding football.

The amount of times over the years I've heard 'I'm done with football' after the creation of the Premier League/Super League/Foreign ownership/VAR (insert latest update here), yet almost everyone continues to participate - its a drug, I don't know what the pinch point would be but as a collective and to date no matter how unhappy fan bases are they end up just 'going with the times' and it will be no different if/when some resemblence of a Super League goes ahead.....

Personally, I think you have to look at what is running a lot deeper in football right now. FIFA are not happy that UEFA are getting the financial rewards from looking after the biggest continent. UEFA are certainly not happy with England's position in this power model because of our Premier League. That's why they will negotiate centrally with the broadcasting companies and only pass 55% of the monies back to the clubs. Then they have an average UEFA wage of 150k Euro's. UEFA know that FIFA are trying to take over the club model and move away from their international football focus. At the same time FIFA are doing unnatural acts like coming up with their own fake carbon reduction models for a Qatar WC, whilst giving the next one to Saudi. They are running amok.

Back to the Superleague, what actually happened was a massive win for the clubs. The European Court of Justice overruled both FIFA and UEFA in their determination in banning clubs from joining a European league. The ECJ said that was illegal and quashed all actions against the clubs. It was a shot across the bows of UEFA and FIFA who have been overstepping their marks as governance bodies.

What we may see in the future is a bifurcation of these bodies like we've seen in boxing. If the top 10 European clubs turned around to the broadcasting companies and told them in no uncertain terms that they cannot negotiate centrally on their behalf, the war re-opens. At that point we might see a FIFA and a WWFA. We might also see an equivalent body to a UEFA running parallel European activities.

I do love your point that there is always something compelling about football though. I hope that applies to the younger generations though. It certainly applies to people my age. It is a drug to us.

 

[harr1984]

Personally, I think you have to look at what is running a lot deeper in football right now. FIFA are not happy that UEFA are getting the financial rewards from looking after the biggest continent. UEFA are certainly not happy with England's position in this power model because of our Premier League. That's why they will negotiate centrally with the broadcasting companies and only pass 55% of the monies back to the clubs. Then they have an average UEFA wage of 150k Euro's. UEFA know that FIFA are trying to take over the club model and move away from their international football focus. At the same time FIFA are doing unnatural acts like coming up with their own fake carbon reduction models for a Qatar WC, whilst giving the next one to Saudi. They are running amok.

Back to the Superleague, what actually happened was a massive win for the clubs. The European Court of Justice overruled both FIFA and UEFA in their determination in banning clubs from joining a European league. The ECJ said that was illegal and quashed all actions against the clubs. It was a shot across the bows of UEFA and FIFA who have been overstepping their marks as governance bodies.

What we may see in the future is a bifurcation of these bodies like we've seen in boxing. If the top 10 European clubs turned around to the broadcasting companies and told them in no uncertain terms that they cannot negotiate centrally on their behalf, the war re-opens. At that point we might see a FIFA and a WWFA. We might also see an equivalent body to a UEFA running parallel European activities.

I do love your point that there is always something compelling about football though. I hope that applies to the younger generations though. It certainly applies to people my age. It is a drug to us.

Thanks for the reply - there's a lot there I didn't know/hadn't considered there....

 

[Lemonade Money]

I think you just need to get your head around the fact that it's one big bent money making pantomime. You will ultimately always be disappointed if not. The only thing that is real, is a players skill to produce something amazing - everything else is manufactured, bought, influenced, and means little.

 

[Muttley]

I think you just need to get your head around the fact that it's one big bent money making pantomime. You will ultimately always be disappointed if not. The only thing that is real, is a players skill to produce something amazing - everything else is manufactured, bought, influenced, and means little.

Football is 22 guys or gals, a football, 2 goalposts (or jumpers) and if you're lucky a referee and some white markings.

That is the product, even though companies like Sky have long since forgotten. Even the referees don't want to play their part anymore and just break the entire system by ignoring the laws.