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[SpurMeUp]

Depends who is buying
They made a profit selling a kid to Saudi who never played for them

That’s just a hustle. But maybe that is their plan. Or they looked back and saw how successful they’d been buying up talent and they think they can buy-loan-sell on.

There are a number of players like the Ukrainian or midfielder who they paid top money for, who must be worth half what they paid now, even if someone would carry the wages.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Just accidentally opened this thread on page 1, instead of 393

Found myself reading for 5 minutes during which time I learned that in 2013:

We should spend more money

The chairman needs to go

The moving on of deadwood takes too long

We won't have another chance to get fourth again if we don't capitalise now.

Good to see a lot has changed in the ensuing 11 years.

Good to see that we’ve improved in some of those areas. Would be nice to see a trophy this season, that’s one of the unfortunate things not on your list that hasn’t changed. We are spending more money on transfers and getting rid of deadwood, wages for me a key. We won’t truly challenge unless we pay higher wages. If we’re happy being a club that occasionally gets into the top 4 then the ENIC model will give us that fairly often.

 

[DubaiSpur]

Good to see that we’ve improved in some of those areas. Would be nice to see a trophy this season, that’s one of the unfortunate things not on your list that hasn’t changed. We are spending more money on transfers and getting rid of deadwood, wages for me a key. We won’t truly challenge unless we pay higher wages. If we’re happy being a club that occasionally gets into the top 4 then the ENIC model will give us that fairly often.

True, but also depends on what you define as fairly often. Since the heyday of Poch, we have been in the CL once in five seasons.

Personally think that's around the average we will have under ENIC, especially in this era of the big boys spending ever more and more ambitious newer clubs joining the fray every year. One could feasibly argue there's a top 9/10 now of clubs equipped to challenge for Europe, so it's hard even without the deadweights in charge weighing us down.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Good to see that we’ve improved in some of those areas. Would be nice to see a trophy this season, that’s one of the unfortunate things not on your list that hasn’t changed. We are spending more money on transfers and getting rid of deadwood, wages for me a key. We won’t truly challenge unless we pay higher wages. If we’re happy being a club that occasionally gets into the top 4 then the ENIC model will give us that fairly often.

We pay higher wages than Arsenal in the last set of accounts

 

[Mikey10]

We pay higher wages than Arsenal in the last set of accounts

Probably skewed by the amount we were still contributing to the wages of Ndombele, Lo Celso, Reguillon etc.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Probably skewed by the amount we were still contributing to the wages of Ndombele, Lo Celso, Reguillon etc.

Players we had to pay for
But we also were paying for Kane and others
But it matters because people think we don’t pay well

 

[Bullet]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1831341287691411790

 

[metalgear]

credit to levy and enic they've improved net spend drastically.

still some areas to think about regarding spending and investing that affects net spend

- WAGES: i would say many players put this at the top of their priority as much as winning things. its also how top players can stay motivated on the bench. Complements net spend analysis.

- "VALUE ADD": we've had some success with players like berbs, modric, bale and kane etc. and some youth players who we have profited from. However the it feels like a lot of players have wasted their time here with us - ndombele, lo celso, sanchez etc. maybe its because of lower wages, perhaps just poor support systems like fitness routines. Anyway the point it that to value add players also means selling players at higher prices which REDUCES net spend.

- HIGHER PRICES FOR WINNERS - simply, players who have won stuff costs more - thats how the world works. Same as in the real world, employees from the worlds best firms get paid higher wages and command higher transfer fees. Recently Liverpool sell a lot of players for crazy monies, so do Emirates Marketing Project and sometimes Chelsea. There's a halo effect for recent winning clubs and is something that REDUCES net spend. (also players forcing their way into winning clubs reduce transfer prices).

So, what else to consider when thinking about net spend? Sure looks to me like a metric to judge "how hard the club tries" but the smarter way still seems to win things, which may actually reduce net spend but affect other areas like increasing wages and taking less risks on player purchases and player support (fitness, nutrition and psychology).

 

[billyiddo]

Probably skewed by the amount we were still contributing to the wages of Ndombele, Lo Celso, Reguillon etc.

Arsenal's wage bill went down dramatically when they cleared out the dross in their squad

 

[Bedfordspurs]

credit to levy and enic they've improved net spend drastically.

still some areas to think about regarding spending and investing that affects net spend

- WAGES: i would say many players put this at the top of their priority as much as winning things. its also how top players can stay motivated on the bench. Complements net spend analysis.

- "VALUE ADD": we've had some success with players like berbs, modric, bale and kane etc. and some youth players who we have profited from. However the it feels like a lot of players have wasted their time here with us - ndombele, lo celso, sanchez etc. maybe its because of lower wages, perhaps just poor support systems like fitness routines. Anyway the point it that to value add players also means selling players at higher prices which REDUCES net spend.

- HIGHER PRICES FOR WINNERS - simply, players who have won stuff costs more - thats how the world works. Same as in the real world, employees from the worlds best firms get paid higher wages and command higher transfer fees. Recently Liverpool sell a lot of players for crazy monies, so do Emirates Marketing Project and sometimes Chelsea. There's a halo effect for recent winning clubs and is something that REDUCES net spend. (also players forcing their way into winning clubs reduce transfer prices).

So, what else to consider when thinking about net spend? Sure looks to me like a metric to judge "how hard the club tries" but the smarter way still seems to win things, which may actually reduce net spend but affect other areas like increasing wages and taking less risks on player purchases and player support (fitness, nutrition and psychology).


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You have it the wrong way round about Tanguy and Lo Celso
The reason they stayed here was they were so well paid. They didn’t want to leave for less money and as they had failed, no one was gonna pay them more

 

[Lilbaz]

Arsenal's wage bill went down dramatically when they cleared out the dross in their squad

Might have gone up when they added the likes of Jesus (£350k a week).

 

[Raziel]

Might have gone up when they added the likes of Jesus (£350k a week).

They have also renewed a few of their contracts (Saka) at quite high wages

 

[Raziel]

credit to levy and enic they've improved net spend drastically.

still some areas to think about regarding spending and investing that affects net spend

- WAGES: i would say many players put this at the top of their priority as much as winning things. its also how top players can stay motivated on the bench. Complements net spend analysis.

- "VALUE ADD": we've had some success with players like berbs, modric, bale and kane etc. and some youth players who we have profited from. However the it feels like a lot of players have wasted their time here with us - ndombele, lo celso, sanchez etc. maybe its because of lower wages, perhaps just poor support systems like fitness routines. Anyway the point it that to value add players also means selling players at higher prices which REDUCES net spend.

- HIGHER PRICES FOR WINNERS - simply, players who have won stuff costs more - thats how the world works. Same as in the real world, employees from the worlds best firms get paid higher wages and command higher transfer fees. Recently Liverpool sell a lot of players for crazy monies, so do Emirates Marketing Project and sometimes Chelsea. There's a halo effect for recent winning clubs and is something that REDUCES net spend. (also players forcing their way into winning clubs reduce transfer prices).

So, what else to consider when thinking about net spend? Sure looks to me like a metric to judge "how hard the club tries" but the smarter way still seems to win things, which may actually reduce net spend but affect other areas like increasing wages and taking less risks on player purchases and player support (fitness, nutrition and psychology).


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For me the way forward is simple

- Continue to invest in youth (see reason below), Udogie, VDV, Sarr and likely Dragusin, Gray, Bergvall & Wilson are good pickups
- The Solanke (hopefully ready made) adds, one per window (maybe by most of the investing being done in youth, we can lift the limit on what that cap is (seems currently around 65-70M)
- Keep/back the manager
- If we change the manager, system/philosophy needs to stay, reason we had so much deadwood was players bought for a variety of systems, have to avoid that in future.

The biggest challenge I see is the second item, ready made players in their prime, even if we want to pay for them, will probably have other options.

 

[billyiddo]

Might have gone up when they added the likes of Jesus (£350k a week).

Yeah it will have risen substantially in the years since they had the clear out - next set of accounts will have them back ahead of us.

 

[metalgear]

another cheapo managerial decision. Things like this doesn't make us more attractive to top players. more things for webb and lange to sort out

Ange Postecoglou responds to Cristian Romero blasting Spurs after Arsenal loss

Cristian Romero reshared a post on social media before quickly deleting it.

www.express.co.uk

After the final whistle, Romero reshared a post on social media which suggested he was forced to organise his own travel back from international duty before quickly deleting it. The post, written by Argentine journalist Gaston Edul, read: "Tottenham lost to Arsenal again.
"Tottenham has not yet consolidated its position to fight because it is not in the details. It was the only club in the Premier League which sent players back from international duty on their own and without their own logistics by decisions of its leaders.

"It gave an advantage [to Arsenal] because its players arrived with less rest than others.​

After the final whistle, Romero reshared a post on social media which suggested he was forced to organise his own travel back from international duty before quickly deleting it. The post, written by Argentine journalist Gaston Edul, read: "Tottenham lost to Arsenal again.

 

[Jordinho]

We didn't fly a player back from international duty on a private jet so he could enjoy his day off. If that means we're cheapskates, I'm perfectly fine with it.

Players flying around the globe several times a year to play a couple of matches is good reason to maybe rethink how international football fits into the calendar.

 

[metalgear]

We didn't fly a player back from international duty on a private jet so he could enjoy his day off. If that means we're cheapskates, I'm perfectly fine with it.

but you also lose control over when the player joins the team of training.
but i think the main point is you have to be competitive and if the big 4 teams are doing it we should - like how the big corporations use employee benefits to compete for top talents (on top of competitive salaries)

 

[Bedfordspurs]

but you also lose control over when the player joins the team of training.
but i think the main point is you have to be competitive and if the big 4 teams are doing it we should - like how the big corporations use employee benefits to compete for top talents (on top of competitive salaries)

He had the day off same as everyone else and joined training where everyone else did

 

[DubSpur]

but you also lose control over when the player joins the team of training.
but i think the main point is you have to be competitive and if the big 4 teams are doing it we should - like how the big corporations use employee benefits to compete for top talents (on top of competitive salaries)

The big 4 don't always do it, no club does, and we do it as well when we think it's needed. We did it when 4 players were playing in South America and we had a short turn around for a game against Saudi Sportswashing Machine. We've done it for Son as well as others. And they aren't left to make their own arrangements, the international team does that. It's just another attempt for some to have a go at ENIC.

 

[Bullet]

The big 4 don't always do it, no club does, and we do it as well when we think it's needed. We did it when 4 players were playing in South America and we had a short turn around for a game against Saudi Sportswashing Machine. We've done it for Son as well as others. And they aren't left to make their own arrangements, the international team does that. It's just another attempt for some to have a go at ENIC.

True, but I heard that Romero spent his day off in Argentina shooting heroin, children and puppies until 3am, it's no wonder he was tired after all that. He didn't want to, but Lange phoned him up and made him do it.