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Emmanuel Adebayor - Officially gone \o/

Don't want Ade at the club because he only play when it suits him, and goes missing and has far has I remember he has had a problem whit 2 of our managers, to me it shows it is him with the problem. Robbie might not be doing the business for us but he is always trying and not a problem for the club. That's why he is loved by most fans.
 
The Fatman said:
Don't want Ade at the club because he only play when it suits him, and goes missing and has far has I remember he has had a problem whit 2 of our managers, to me it shows it is him with the problem. Robbie might not be doing the business for us but he is always trying and not a problem for the club. That's why he is loved by most fans.
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I think I'll hop over to Poch next Monday and ask for a nice contract. The reason? He can be sure I will always be trying...
 
billyiddo said:
The sticking point for me is reliability - which can we rely on to be available when called upon?
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What is the point of having Soldado available, but then playing as poor as he does? I would rather have someone who is only available for half the time, but actually does contribute in that half. And it's not like Soldado is taking the strain of those in front of him either. How often was Kane required to get off the bench, even though we wanted to rest him, because Soldado couldn't get the job done? Way to much. At least Adebayor can actually play well for our club, yes unfortunately not consistently, but it's better than nothing, which is the case with Soldado.
 
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Maltese Falcon said:
I think I'll hop over to Poch next Monday and ask for a nice contract. The reason? He can be sure I will always be trying...
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People keep making this point but it doesn't really make much sense when both players record under this manager, the manager they'll be playing under should they be here next season, are equally poor in the league and Soldado has actually out performed Adebayor in the cups (which is no great shakes as i think Adebayor is allergic to them or something)



Coys300 said:
What is the point of having Soldado available, but then playing as poor as he does? I would rather have someone who is only available for half the time, but actually does contribute in that half. And it's not like Soldado is taking the strain of those in front of him either. How often was Kane required to get off the bench, even though we wanted to rest him, because Soldado couldn't get the job done? Way to much. At least Adebayor can actually play well for our club, yes unfortunately not consistently, but it's better than nothing, which is the case with Soldado.
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As above - Adebayor has one solitary goal more than Soldado under Pochettino having played the same minutes (more or less)

If you think one league goal is worth hanging your hat on when the player isn't even available half the time he's needed and comes with 10x the baggage as the other then i all i can say is i think you're wrong
 
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Soldado is doing everything but score, he still moves defenders around and contributes in the build up, if Ade is actually in the UK and arsed to get his kit on he spends his time on the pitch swanning around with his back to the game picking his nose.

To paraphrase Reservoir Dogs, at least Soldado "behaves like a fudging professional".

Ade plays truant like a fudging 12 year old.
 
I'm not sure where those stats come from (and it's not the impression of Soldado I have from watching him) but I guess that with such a small sample size Ade's are skewed by him actually turning up for one of those games, there is no doubt that when he applies himself he is a great player, that he chooses not to be so regularly is another strike against him.
 
It seems someone is experiencing the 5 stages of Soldado grief ;)

galeforce said:
I'm not sure where those stats come from (and it's not the impression of Soldado I have from watching him) .
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Denial....

Pretty obvious that these were sourced from squawka.... http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...l_passes/total_score/successful_take_ons_%#90

galeforce said:
To paraphrase Reservoir Dogs, at least Soldado "behaves like a fudgeing professional". Ade plays truant like a fudgeing 12 year old.
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Anger

galeforce said:
I guess that with such a small sample size Ade's are skewed by him actually turning up for one of those games, there is no doubt that when he applies himself he is a great player, that he chooses not to be so regularly is another strike against him.
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Bargaining...


Only two left... depression at realising that Soldado is actually a bigger waste of space than Adebayor and finally acceptance that he (the Spaniard) is our priority to get rid of asap.

Good luck! :D
 
Maltese Falcon said:
It seems someone is experiencing the 5 stages of Soldado grief ;)



Denial....

Pretty obvious that these were sourced from squawka.... http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...l_passes/total_score/successful_take_ons_%#90



Anger



Bargaining...


Only two left... depression at realising that Soldado is actually a bigger waste of space than Adebayor and finally acceptance that he (the Spaniard) is our priority to get rid of asap.

Good luck! :D
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i've never heard of squawka before, its quite pretty though, is it the kids version of Opta?

i'm happy with my opinion on both, I hit acceptance some time ago, it's not gonna happen for him in a Spurs shirt, I don't feel I'll ever have any anger toward Soldado, his ineffectiveness has not been due to his attitude or application, whereas with Ade thats exactly what the problem is, ergo he is the priority

we've long passed into cyclical arguments, all this points were being made 100 pages ago, there has been nothing new to this argument for a very long time
 
If you want to use stats to look at Ade, you actually have to do it spell by spell.

Leaving Soldado (who has failed) out of this, Ade's stats will show either world class spells, or complete fudging disaster (i.e. that guy we have all seen who is mentally out for lunch for whatever fudging reason).

Soldado apologists? you have to be fudging kidding me, Scum, City, Real, Spurs, how many clubs does Ade get to do exactly the same fudging thing (great spell -> complete dogbrick passenger), before it's him? The guy has had more chances than anyone could reasonably expect, always same result.
 
Raziel said:
Leaving Soldado (who has failed) out of this, Ade's stats will show either world class spells, or complete fudgeing disaster (i.e. that guy we have all seen who is mentally out for lunch for whatever fudgeing reason).
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I am not defending Adebayor; I would be ecstatic if and when he left.

You cannot leave Soldado out of it. If you bothered to go back a couple of pages, the original point of the argument was to query why people were calling Ade a wage thief when Soldado has fleeced us worse, based on his performances.
 
Soldado was hired to do a job. He had a great CV, but it turns out his skill set wasn't exactly what we needed. He still shows up for work every day and tried his best.

Ade is another employee in the same department. His skills are more suited for the tasks, but he goes missing for long periods and most of the days he does show up he doesn't even try to get anything done.

Our HR department didn't do their best when hiring these two, but there's only one wage thief. That's the guy who chooses to not do his job, but still take the money.
 
Yeah ive never understood wage theif to mean someone who isn't good enough for the job - more so used to describe someone who doesn't put the required effort in or for example someone who doesn't even bother to turn up for work for long spells of time yet still earns a wage as though he did.

Thought that was common sense tbh



Has Adebayor ever played the back up role before? When he was second choice under AVB he went awol and then again went missing this season when he lost his place in the team to Kane - i wonder what makes people think he'd break that habit and be happy to play 2nd/3rd next season
 
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It's noteworthy that those who would keep Adebayor ahead of Soldado seem to talk about everything except Adebayor's role in the Kaboul-Capoue-Ade attempt to undermine our new manager early last season. It seems so long as a striker shows up and scores a goal every five games (Ade's record under Pochettino), some Spurs fans would rather have a player at the club who not only fails to show up when the mood takes them - but also behaves so unprofessionally they warrant active exile from the first team for several months at a time - ahead of a model professional who works hard but has a 1 in 10 goal-scoring record.

I fully acknowledge that Adebayor has proven to be a better striker than Soldado for us when he feels like it. Not denying that. But a team can't function as a team if a small clique of senior players refuse to pull their weight. For me, Kaboul, Capoue and Adebayor should be cut loose from the club even if it means paying them off. It's not about comparing them to anyone else. Right now I'd take Gary Doherty ahead of Adebayor (and Ginger Pele is retired at 35 having seen out his final playing days at Wycombe Wanderers!)

And let me state for the record, I never had a problem with Adebayor's Arsenal connection and was a big fan of him during his first stint with us. This opinion is based entirely on his behaviour over the last 12 months.
 
DublinSpur said:
This opinion is based entirely on his behaviour over the last 12 months.
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You make some very valid points but the thing is that - at least in my case - I am not privy to internal issues. If Ade really did undermine Poch, then I agree there is no excuse. But Poch always denied this and we have no way of knowing what really happened; until we do, anything else is conjecture and conspiracy.

But about the AWOL incidents of this year, the guy was clearly in a clinical depression. Therefore just as we would not lambast a player who broke a leg and was sidelined, the same should apply to mental problems - which are no less debilitating.

Having said that I will be very happy if we find a new employer for our Ade, as long as it happens after the transfer of Soldado and we sign a decent replacement.
 
Jordinho said:
Soldado was hired to do a job. He had a great CV, but it turns out his skill set wasn't exactly what we needed. He still shows up for work every day and tried his best.

Ade is another employee in the same department. His skills are more suited for the tasks, but he goes missing for long periods and most of the days he does show up he doesn't even try to get anything done.

Our HR department didn't do their best when hiring these two, but there's only one wage thief. That's the guy who chooses to not do his job, but still take the money.
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.... and yet Soldado has cost significantly more than Adebayor when averaged out over their respective times at our club, while achieving considerably less than Adebayor when averaging out their contributions over their respective times at the club. Adebayor is poor and we need to get rid of him this Summer, however Soldado is absolute dogsh!t and we absolutely need to get rid of him first - just in case our chairman is tempted to close the chequebook after replacing on just one of our strikers.
 
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.... and yet Soldado has cost significantly more than Adebayor when averaged out over their respective times at our club, while achieving considerably less than Adebayor when averaging out their contributions over their respective times at the club. Adebayor is poor and we need to get rid of him this Summer, however Soldado is absolute dogsh!t and we absolutely need to get rid of him first - just in case our chairman is tempted to close the chequebook after replacing on just one of our strikers.
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has he?

I thought Ade was on a lot more money, yeah there was a difference between fee's but depending on on how much Soldado earns there could anything between 1.5m and 2.5m a year in additional wages for Ade, based on the numbers reported in the press
 
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