Emerson Royal

[Danishfurniturelover]

Oh yes.

Lavinier however?

Lusala should be looked at. If the first team are not doing it then go with a youngster.

 

[metalgear]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1517923481316478978

Think about this - the team know it but still passes to Royal
The reality is that the left side is worse, so no one - probably not even the coach - is asking them to take the obvious alternative.
The dream is that we have options from midfield - but we don't have a creative midfielder - or centrebacks able to ping balls into channels - yep, we don't have those too.
So maybe, to the team and to Conte, Royal is the best option we have.

Can't deny that with Royal and Doherty on the wrong wing, we had some good football.

 

[AdamB]

I'd be amazed if Royal starts v Leicester

 

[DubaiSpur]

Actually two of them in that picture, so that makes three of these footless wonders we've picked up. Although to fair to Gomes, he didn't need to be good with his feet to be a great player for us.

 

[90291Spur]

I'd be amazed if Royal starts v Leicester

I wouldn’t.

 

[DubaiSpur]

Think about this - the team know it but still passes to Royal
The reality is that the left side is worse, so no one - probably not even the coach - is asking them to take the obvious alternative.
The dream is that we have options from midfield - but we don't have a creative midfielder - or centrebacks able to ping balls into channels - yep, we don't have those too.
So maybe, to the team and to Conte, Royal is the best option we have.

Can't deny that with Royal and Doherty on the wrong wing, we had some good football.

Reguilon is one of the most contradictory players in the Prem. He never actually looks any good - constantly on the verge of losing the ball, stumbling, just awkward as hell.

But he is also the most dangerous player for passes into the box from the top left-hand quadrant of the field, on average, *this season*. Across the entire PL.

Sessegnon also made his name at Fulham as a sort of inside forward off the left - he wasn't a full back as much as he was a magnificently dangerous winger with an eye for goal.

Given these attributes, it's baffling how neither of them look any good at the moment.

But, even with that, they look better than the donkey that is Royal. And I think the reason for their nullification is precisely because, with Royal an utter non-entity on the right, teams are doubling up on a) Kane and b) our LWB.

Which instantly neutralizes us. Even the pockets of space Son finds, he doesn't do much with.

With Doherty, he was harder to defend because he'd cut in on his right while Davies went outside on his left, which confused the opposition - you'd see times where their right back points to where he thinks Doherty is going to go, but then Doherty cuts in and slips it to Davies on the outside in loads of space.

It worked, because it switched up expectations for defenders. Now we're back to a very, very predictable structure, and it just doesn't work if Emerson is a useless deadweight out on the right.

 

[AdamB]

But, even with that, they look better than the donkey that is Royal. And I think the reason for their nullification is precisely because, with Royal an utter non-entity on the right, teams are doubling up on a) Kane and b) our LWB.

Which instantly neutralizes us. Even the pockets of space Son finds, he doesn't do much with.

I do agree with this. Teams dont really mark Royal so much but shuffle across when the ball comes to him. His ability on the ball is zero so even if he got the ball in space, he'd be limited threat to the opposition

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Reguilon is one of the most contradictory players in the Prem. He never actually looks any good - constantly on the verge of losing the ball, stumbling, just awkward as hell.

But he is also the most dangerous player for passes into the box from the top left-hand quadrant of the field, on average, *this season*. Across the entire PL.

Sessegnon also made his name at Fulham as a sort of inside forward off the left - he wasn't a full back as much as he was a magnificently dangerous winger with an eye for goal.

Given these attributes, it's baffling how neither of them look any good at the moment.

But, even with that, they look better than the donkey that is Royal. And I think the reason for their nullification is precisely because, with Royal an utter non-entity on the right, teams are doubling up on a) Kane and b) our LWB.

Which instantly neutralizes us. Even the pockets of space Son finds, he doesn't do much with.

With Doherty, he was harder to defend because he'd cut in on his right while Davies went outside on his left, which confused the opposition - you'd see times where their right back points to where he thinks Doherty is going to go, but then Doherty cuts in and slips it to Davies on the outside in loads of space.

It worked, because it switched up expectations for defenders. Now we're back to a very, very predictable structure, and it just doesn't work if Emerson is a useless deadweight out on the right.

The difference with Doherty at RWB and Reggie or see left is they both attack and open up space for each other
Royal doesn’t attack so teams shuffle defend as you say and es5 up the little space
It negates Kulu too

 

[paxtonwolf]

Lavinier should be given a try, cant really throw him at Anfield or the NLD, so worth a start v Leicester and see how it goes.

Sadly wont happen, Royal will start the last 5 games this Conte is not for turning, unless he considers dropping Kulusevski back to RWB with Bergwijn or Moura in front of him. Another long shot though.

Re;Royal - worse signing I have seen since Gilberto

 

[SpurMeUp]

It is not really Royal's fault. He is a decent defender. Asking him to be an attacker is a stretch and on Conte more than on Royal. Been slated for suggesting Kulu at RWB and Moura attacking, but had Conte gone with this change halfway through the 2nd half after we lost the initiative, I think we'd have kept up the attacking momentum we had, and maybe forced a goal. With 5 mins to go, Moura got through and was taken out. Shame we didn't see more of him.

 

[harr1984]

It is not really Royal's fault. He is a decent defender. Asking him to be an attacker is a stretch and on Conte more than on Royal. Been slated for suggesting Kulu at RWB and Moura attacking, but had Conte gone with this change halfway through the 2nd half after we lost the initiative, I think we'd have kept up the attacking momentum we had, and maybe forced a goal. With 5 mins to go, Moura got through and was taken out. Shame we didn't see more of him.

Agree, if we played four at the back people would be saying Royal is a solid but unspectacular player for us, in the same mould as Davies when playing full back- he just isn’t a wing back.

Moura might not be everyone’s cup of tea and he is far from perfect, but he at the very least gives the opposition something to think about whereas with Royal they aren’t concerned with whatsoever. Put it this way, who do you think defenders would rather be playing against? Not a difficult one to answer….

 

[glasgowspur]

Its hilarious reading this, two games where we have not had a shot on target and its the rwbs fault. And yet strangely quiet about the forwards.
Remember when arsenal lost teirney and some where saying that was them fudged, and yet........
If you want it, its there, we just don't want it enough.

 

[AdamB]

Its hilarious reading this, two games where we have not had a shot on target and its the rwbs fault. And yet strangely quiet about the forwards.
Remember when arsenal lost teirney and some where saying that was them fudged, and yet........
If you want it, its there, we just don't want it enough.

problem with out formation is that if the WBs play as FBs then we have 7 defensive players and 3 forwards. Our CMs dont provide any support to the forwards, so if the WBs dont either then the forwards are isolated

 

[glasgowspur]

problem with out formation is that if the WBs play as FBs then we have 7 defensive players and 3 forwards. Our CMs dont provide any support to the forwards, so if the WBs dont either then the forwards are isolated

I missed the second half last night and I'm sitting watching it just now.
Its the 83 min, theres been decent crosses from davies, Kulu, royal and sess but nobody seems to be working to hard to get the end of them.
Can't keep putting the blame on one position/player.

89/91 first min free kick fir us, son weak pass to their keeper, free kick to them excellent ball into danger area and header off the post.
But its all down to the rwb.

 

[Mcfee]

I missed the second half last night and I'm sitting watching it just now.
Its the 83 min, theres been decent crosses from davies, Kulu, royal and sess but nobody seems to be working to hard to get the end of them.
Can't keep putting the blame on one position/player.

89/91 first min free kick fir us, son weak pass to their keeper, free kick to them excellent ball into danger area and header off the post.
But its all down to the rwb.

That free-kick from Son was a shocker. Thought Kulu should have whipped it in instead. Though either way we’re not great at attacking crosses.

 

[billyiddo]

Its hilarious reading this, two games where we have not had a shot on target and its the rwbs fault. And yet strangely quiet about the forwards.
Remember when arsenal lost teirney and some where saying that was them fudged, and yet........
If you want it, its there, we just don't want it enough.

The wing backs are key to Contes setup - progressing the ball forwards, stretching play and creating space for the attacking players to work in - with no creative midfielder able to split defenses operating in the middle and no attacking threat from the wing backs it's too easy for opponents to defend against us, especially if they're going in to the game with doing so as a priority.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Its hilarious reading this, two games where we have not had a shot on target and its the rwbs fault. And yet strangely quiet about the forwards.
Remember when arsenal lost teirney and some where saying that was them fudged, and yet........
If you want it, its there, we just don't want it enough.

You must have missed the match thread. The same usual faces were digging out Kane and Son after 20 mins. Apparently it’s all on them when we lose, but when they play well and we win, oh well…..it’s expected of them. Basically a no win situation for them.

As for Royal, he was awful and doesn’t actually do anything well, including defending. Sessegnon’s crossing was just as bad but at least he got into some good positions.

 

[Jurgen the German]

I missed the second half last night and I'm sitting watching it just now.
Its the 83 min, theres been decent crosses from davies, Kulu, royal and sess but nobody seems to be working to hard to get the end of them.
Can't keep putting the blame on one position/player.

89/91 first min free kick fir us, son weak pass to their keeper, free kick to them excellent ball into danger area and header off the post.
But its all down to the rwb.

Are you saying Royal and Sess played well? Seriously?

 

[Jurgen the German]

The wing backs are key to Contes setup - progressing the ball forwards, stretching play and creating space for the attacking players to work in - with no creative midfielder able to split defenses operating in the middle and no attacking threat from the wing backs it's too easy for opponents to defend against us, especially if their going in to the game with doing so as a priority.

From reading some of the comments on here recently, the expectations are for Kane and Son to turn up and carry us every single week. Everyone else can not turn up and it’s ok.

 

[glasgowspur]

Are you saying Royal and Sess played well? Seriously?

No I'm not, but they weren't the only ones, but they're taking all the blame.