Daniel Levy - Former Chairman

[Legohamster]

Same, appears to have used it to raise his own personal image, strange really but each to their own

He was on LWOS a few times and he seemed to disappear up his own arse as it went on.

All for protest etc, but planning it on opening weekend is not the one, thankfully there was only about 5 of them

 

[Jurgen the German]

City and Chelsea have down years. I’m talking about Liverpool.

I honestly might be missing something obvious here and if so I apologise. But how have they cheated more than anyone? More than the oil money? More than the 115 charges?

And even if they have, I think my point is we are in a ballpark on being able to be competitive with them now.

Not even worth engaging about Liverpool, his views are divorced from reality.

 

[Jurgen the German]

They are massively important no one down plays it, again those comments are a abit of a fallacy from whats actually being said. The point as I can see that is being said is they can't be the only thing that makes supporting a club create love and affection for that club, that would defy logic of why 90% of football fans round the world love the club they do and enjoy supporting them

I get slightly sick of this heightened idea in recent years that its impossible to take any joy out the club unless we are winning things. You only have to look at the mess of the communications from the supporters groups "don't buy merchandise, don't buy food and drink" GET FCUKED who is anyone to tell anyone how and whats important to them as a club.

I would much prefer to support the club I love than spend time sticking the boot in and crowing over Chelsea and others constantly like loads do, even some on here.

People have downplayed the importance of trophies. At a time when we don’t win many of them. Not saying you can’t still enjoy football without trophies but that is ultimately why we watch, in the hope that we win things.

 

[Grays_1890]

People have downplayed the importance of trophies. At a time when we don’t win many of them. Not saying you can’t still enjoy football without trophies but that is ultimately why we watch, in the hope that we win things.

Not sure that's true but will take your word for it

Ultimately though and this is not downplaying their importance, but it's not the first reason that really matters to me when it comes to supporting Spurs, and that doesn't mean they are not important, but the primary one is just a huge reason

 

[demotw]

People have downplayed the importance of trophies. At a time when we don’t win many of them. Not saying you can’t still enjoy football without trophies but that is ultimately why we watch, in the hope that we win things.

It’s the “hope” we might win things that spurs on all fans, but is certainly not the be all and end all. If spurs win nothing for the next 50 years I will still support them and still hope next season will be our season. Reminds me of a line from the film cool runnings, “A gold medal is a wonderful thing. But if you're not enough without one, you'll never be enough with one" and that’s reality.

Ultimately under Levy’s stewardship we have improved both positionally as a club and consistently on and off the pitch. He got plenty wrong but his successes far outweighed them, so he will rightfully I think go down as our best chairmen of recent times. Let’s just hope whoever the new guy or girl is in charge, they have the same impact Daniel did as if they do, it will mean at least being in the trophy discussion season after season.

 

[thfcsteff]

I agree with a lot of that, and absolutely agree with your conclusion.

But I think he was good at the football side. If he wasn't, we would have been Leeds/Villa/Sheffield Wednesday.

He was brilliant at the business of football. Undeniable.

 

[Lemonade Money]

I wanted to leave it alone, but I just can't get over how many of the flags are being hung half way down the flag pole either.

Where is the pride and patriotism in that?

You want to fly a flag, fly it correctly.

Are they being flown at half past to symbolise the country is dead, or is it simply the height of a standard ladder?

 

[metalgear]

They are different people. People who now have gotten rid of a widely admired Chairman with the promise of greater success.

This is the change that a small minority of fans had asked for.

The most obvious route for the new regime is to go dishonourable and dirty to puff up the clubs value ready to sell on at maximum profit.

they are different but its hard to say if levy was widely admired - a small minority of very vocal fans usually is the tip of the iceberg.
and the owners have just reiterated that there isn't an incoming sale or if its related to levy's leaving

 

[metalgear]

no surprise i am glad levy is gone as ceo, i don't hate the man, but he was always finance over football
also happy that the owners are taking interest and getting involved, especially since they've collected their payday from their initial investment
the nature and timing of levy's departure is intriguing and not fitting someone who is doing well in their role.
i hope one day we find out the real reason why it was so sudden and not exactly flattering to a levy, who has profited the owners massively.

 

[kb 1984]

Are they being flown at half past to symbolise the country is dead, or is it simply the height of a standard ladder?

tell them to turn the flags upside down that will really confuse them

 

[braineclipse]

Trophies are the only measure of football success.

You can enjoy football without them if course but let's not pretend you're successful without them. We play the game to win, win enough games and you win trophies. Period.

So based on that Pochettino, Conte and Mourinho were equally (non) successful Spurs managers? With Ange being very successful (two years, one big trophy).

Does the same apply to talking about players? Kane, Modric, Bale all non successful here. Tel super successful (half a season, one trophy).

I don't mind using the word success like that, it's not how I would use the word, but who am I to tell you how to use words (and who are you to tell me how to use words).

I didn't even use the word "success" in the post you quoted. I was talking about evaluating how well we do on the football side. But if that should to you only be measured on success and that again is only measured on trophies fine, that's your opinion. To me that leaves a lot of valuable stuff unspoken.

 

[Bishop]

So based on that Pochettino, Conte and Mourinho were equally (non) successful Spurs managers? With Ange being very successful (two years, one big trophy).

Does the same apply to talking about players? Kane, Modric, Bale all non successful here. Tel super successful (half a season, one trophy).

I don't mind using the word success like that, it's not how I would use the word, but who am I to tell you how to use words (and who are you to tell me how to use words).

I didn't even use the word "success" in the post you quoted. I was talking about evaluating how well we do on the football side. But if that should to you only be measured on success and that again is only measuredaa on trophies fine, that's your opinion. To me that leaves a lot of valuable stuff unspoken.

I see it differently for players, managers and clubs. A successful club is one that archives trophies on the pitch. That's what builds your reputation, that what the legends and club culture, the history etc grow from. The reason we were once considered a cup team is because that's what we had largely won and we had more of them than anyone else. Those trophies we won at various times is exactly what made our name. Not where we finished in the league in 1967 or 2003 or 2015. You can have good seasons without them being successful.

For players they can be successful based on the individual results of their careers. You can look at that as statistics, or performances or even just the impact they have implanted on their clubs or the game itself.

Managers or coaches can have successful spells. This is where you can look at what they did with nuance, winning or losing record? Style of play, results and again impact on the game etc. So for me Poch, Conte and Mourinho were equally successful ie. not but one of those men had real impact here and the others not so much. Despite that it's clears if you look at their careers 2 of them have been far more successful than 1 of them. With Ange it was indeed a successful tun the EL, that can never be taken away from him. In 50 years when the details and context is forgotten his and our names will still be on that cup for 2024-2025

For a club though, it's not a singular entity. The sole purpose of that organisation is to win. Its why it was created in the first place. A group of friends, workers, colleagues, a social group put together a team and decided to play together. Their intention was to win games, that is success. We are considered one of the big clubs because we used to win, because we had a relatively high trophy count. We didn't get to this place in a vacuum, we weren't just magicked up one day in the PL. We had a history of actual success, that's what created the identity of Spurs

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[Grays_1890]

We had a history of actual success, that's what created the identity of Spurs

We had success but it wasn't dynasty

My old man said to me when I was old enough to listen and get the game "Spurs is about great players at the wrong times and sometimes its the right time, we won't ever win league titles but we might when the odd cup, prepare to be disappointed more than ecstatic" you know when he said that early 1986, you know the first season I watched and understood..........1986/197 and never were his words truer and was he right for the next 40 odd years??? You bethca he was. But I fell in love with that side, Waddle, Gough, Allen, I never looked at then as great failures. The side that had Gazza take us to a final (us underdogs BTW, see it can happen if players take us over the line) get crocked and then us win anyway. Fell in love with the style and the flair, being the underdogs versus Chelsea and winning the LC, wouldn't swap it for anything.

Yes its about striving to win things BUT lets not pretend we are a dynasty and lets not pretend we are players, managers or owners, we are fans, and for some of us our support is not a contract based of success, for many its much much much more than that.

This clubs owes me nothing, thats why I don't stamp my feet when we are not successful, jealousy also isn't something I do in football, I don't covert to be Arsenal or Chelsea........thats their journey not mine. I wouldn't swap seeing our fans and our players in our badge lift last years trophy and swap it with Romans Chelsea haul..........people can say what they like about that, but its 100% true. No more than I would change the 80s and change it with Liverpool, Forest of Evertons..........so why would I now

The reason I dislike CFT more than the hypocrisy, the 12 year old scribed PR is being a fan should come with a level of siege mentality, we seemingly have lost that and to go out 3 months after winning a major trophy with banners of "profit over glory". When a new manager has come in with new players, when we should be all in and united. That's more embarrassing that anything the clubs done in the last 25 years. As fans we should be ferociously trying to suck the ball into the net and get behind the team. Instead we spend half our time giving other clubs and fans and now the media ammunition through the sheer embarrassment of a section of our fan base and moaning "I can't possibly sing and get behind the club in this new stadium"

If you are deluded enough to think you have the influence to remove a Chairman, MAYBE just Maybe that influence is best used on the team..............No?

 

[Bishop]

We had success but it wasn't dynasty

My old man said to me when I was old enough to listen and get the game "Spurs is about great players at the wrong times and sometimes its the right time, we won't ever win league titles but we might when the odd cup, prepare to be disappointed more than ecstatic" you know when he said that early 1986, you know the first season I watched and understood..........1986/197 and never were his words truer and was he right for the next 40 odd years??? You bethca he was. But I fell in love with that side, Waddle, Gough, Allen, I never looked at then as great failures. The side that had Gazza take us to a final (us underdogs BTW, see it can happen if players take us over the line) get crocked and then us win anyway. Fell in love with the style and the flair, being the underdogs versus Chelsea and winning the LC, wouldn't swap it for anything.

Yes its about striving to win things BUT lets not pretend we are a dynasty and lets not pretend we are players, managers or owners, we are fans, and for some of us our support is not a contract based of success, for many its much much much more than that.

This clubs owes me nothing, thats why I don't stamp my feet when we are not successful, jealousy also isn't something I do in football, I don't covert to be Arsenal or Chelsea........thats their journey not mine. I wouldn't swap seeing our fans and our players in our badge lift last years trophy and swap it with Romans Chelsea haul..........people can say what they like about that, but its 100% true. No more than I would change the 80s and change it with Liverpool, Forest of Evertons..........so why would I now

The reason I dislike CFT more than the hypocrisy, the 12 year old scribed PR is being a fan should come with a level of siege mentality, we seemingly have lost that and to go out 3 months after winning a major trophy with banners of "profit over glory". When a new manager has come in with new players, when we should be all in and united. That's more embarrassing that anything the clubs done in the last 25 years. As fans we should be ferociously trying to suck the ball into the net and get behind the team. Instead we spend half our time giving other clubs and fans and now the media ammunition through the sheer embarrassment of a section of our fan base and moaning "I can't possibly sing and get behind the club in this new stadium"

If you are deluded enough to think you have the influence to remove a Chairman, MAYBE just Maybe that influence is best used on the team..............No?

I deffo agree we are not a dynasty, I don't even consider us a big club because for me the big clubs are those winning things regularly. I quite liked our former plucky under dog status as I felt that fitted the ethos of the club if you Will. I remember being a kid and the clubs that resonated across Europe were those that made those cup runs, the guys made history. They are teams who have imprinted in my brain and that's generally because they were the sides that won things because that's the point of the whole caboodle.

I'm happy to participate if course and the journey is at least half if not 90% of the experience and you can't always win obviously but I'm never going to lose track of that actually being the purpose in the first place.

On the topic of fan pressure I think they can have influence either way. Positivity for the team as we see at Anfield season after season after season. Or even arguably the Hicks & Gilet out movement, but I'd say it's a two way street. The fans have to see and feel that it's something they can believe in and get behind. For a chairman I dunno, I don't really believe what CFT have done to have had any affect but I dunno I'm a bit divorced from all of that as it's not something I follow. Do you think they made an impact?

 

[Lilbaz]

I see it differently for players, managers and clubs. A successful club is one that archives trophies on the pitch. That's what builds your reputation, that what the legends and club culture, the history etc grow from. The reason we were once considered a cup team is because that's what we had largely won and we had more of them than anyone else. Those trophies we won at various times is exactly what made our name. Not where we finished in the league in 1967 or 2003 or 2015. You can have good seasons without them being successful.

For players they can be successful based on the individual results of their careers. You can look at that as statistics, or performances or even just the impact they have implanted on their clubs or the game itself.

Managers or coaches can have successful spells. This is where you can look at what they did with nuance, winning or losing record? Style of play, results and again impact on the game etc. So for me Poch, Conte and Mourinho were equally successful ie. not but one of those men had real impact here and the others not so much. Despite that it's clears if you look at their careers 2 of them have been far more successful than 1 of them. With Ange it was indeed a successful tun the EL, that can never be taken away from him. In 50 years when the details and context is forgotten his and our names will still be on that cup for 2024-2025

For a club though, it's not a singular entity. The sole purpose of that organisation is to win. Its why it was created in the first place. A group of friends, workers, colleagues, a social group put together a team and decided to play together. Their intention was to win games, that is success. We are considered one of the big clubs because we used to win, because we had a relatively high trophy count. We didn't get to this place in a vacuum, we weren't just magicked up one day in the PL. We had a history of actual success, that's what created the identity of Spurs

You .

We won the fa cup more than any team that was only for 1 or 2 seasons though.
Was there ever a point when we had won the most cups?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

wonder if levy is was keener on selling than the Lewis family and that hastened his exit

 

[Roland Beurre]

For a club though, it's not a singular entity. The sole purpose of that organisation is to win. Its why it was created in the first place. A group of friends, workers, colleagues, a social group put together a team and decided to play together. Their intention was to win games, that is success. We are considered one of the big clubs because we used to win, because we had a relatively high trophy count. We didn't get to this place in a vacuum, we weren't just magicked up one day in the PL. We had a history of actual success, that's what created the identity of Spurs

"A group of friends, workers, colleagues, a social group put together a team and decided to play together. Their intention was to win games, that is success."

We don't know that for sure, though, do we? They might have formed the club as a way of keeping fit outside of the cricket season, or because Archibald Fothercoque* (the prime mover behind the formation of the club) wanted an excuse to get away from Mrs Fothercoque and her endless shopping trips on a Saturday.

There are many ways to measure success, and I think most of us are with you in asserting that winning trophies is the most important, as evidenced by the euphoria in the wake of our massively boring (to almost everyone else) EL cup win. For me, I'll probably remember the details of the miracle in Amsterdam longer than I will the events of the EL cup win, but that's just me. I also remember the unsuccessful Dutch national team of the 70s more clearly than I do the teams that beat them in 1974 and 1978.

What's this got to do with Daniel Levy?

I am glad you asked.

When it comes to "risk aversion psychology", I am one of the world's worst. If a genie had popped out of a bottle when Levy took over and said, "heads, Spurs win as many trophies as ManUre in the next 20 years; tails, they go the way of Sheffield Wednesday (great stadium, by the way) - do you want to toss the coin?", I'd probably say, I'll take my chances with Daniel Levy's "survive to thrive" plan, thanks.

Other people's mileage may vary. Vive la différence. Full stop.

* Not a real person, sadly.

 

[DaveT316]

We had success but it wasn't dynasty

My old man said to me when I was old enough to listen and get the game "Spurs is about great players at the wrong times and sometimes its the right time, we won't ever win league titles but we might when the odd cup, prepare to be disappointed more than ecstatic" you know when he said that early 1986, you know the first season I watched and understood..........1986/197 and never were his words truer and was he right for the next 40 odd years??? You bethca he was. But I fell in love with that side, Waddle, Gough, Allen, I never looked at then as great failures. The side that had Gazza take us to a final (us underdogs BTW, see it can happen if players take us over the line) get crocked and then us win anyway. Fell in love with the style and the flair, being the underdogs versus Chelsea and winning the LC, wouldn't swap it for anything.

Yes its about striving to win things BUT lets not pretend we are a dynasty and lets not pretend we are players, managers or owners, we are fans, and for some of us our support is not a contract based of success, for many its much much much more than that.

This clubs owes me nothing, thats why I don't stamp my feet when we are not successful, jealousy also isn't something I do in football, I don't covert to be Arsenal or Chelsea........thats their journey not mine. I wouldn't swap seeing our fans and our players in our badge lift last years trophy and swap it with Romans Chelsea haul..........people can say what they like about that, but its 100% true. No more than I would change the 80s and change it with Liverpool, Forest of Evertons..........so why would I now

The reason I dislike CFT more than the hypocrisy, the 12 year old scribed PR is being a fan should come with a level of siege mentality, we seemingly have lost that and to go out 3 months after winning a major trophy with banners of "profit over glory". When a new manager has come in with new players, when we should be all in and united. That's more embarrassing that anything the clubs done in the last 25 years. As fans we should be ferociously trying to suck the ball into the net and get behind the team. Instead we spend half our time giving other clubs and fans and now the media ammunition through the sheer embarrassment of a section of our fan base and moaning "I can't possibly sing and get behind the club in this new stadium"

If you are deluded enough to think you have the influence to remove a Chairman, MAYBE just Maybe that influence is best used on the team..............No?

Post of the season so far…

 

[Grays_1890]

On the topic of fan pressure I think they can have influence either way. Positivity for the team as we see at Anfield season after season after season. Or even arguably the Hicks & Gilet out movement, but I'd say it's a two way street. The fans have to see and feel that it's something they can believe in and get behind. For a chairman I dunno, I don't really believe what CFT have done to have had any affect but I dunno I'm a bit divorced from all of that as it's not something I follow. Do you think they made an impact?

Personally no, I was trying to flip the idea of their influence on them thinking they have some...............if you do, use it for good

 

[braineclipse]

I see it differently for players, managers and clubs. A successful club is one that archives trophies on the pitch. That's what builds your reputation, that what the legends and club culture, the history etc grow from. The reason we were once considered a cup team is because that's what we had largely won and we had more of them than anyone else. Those trophies we won at various times is exactly what made our name. Not where we finished in the league in 1967 or 2003 or 2015. You can have good seasons without them being successful.

For players they can be successful based on the individual results of their careers. You can look at that as statistics, or performances or even just the impact they have implanted on their clubs or the game itself.

Managers or coaches can have successful spells. This is where you can look at what they did with nuance, winning or losing record? Style of play, results and again impact on the game etc. So for me Poch, Conte and Mourinho were equally successful ie. not but one of those men had real impact here and the others not so much. Despite that it's clears if you look at their careers 2 of them have been far more successful than 1 of them. With Ange it was indeed a successful tun the EL, that can never be taken away from him. In 50 years when the details and context is forgotten his and our names will still be on that cup for 2024-2025

For a club though, it's not a singular entity. The sole purpose of that organisation is to win. Its why it was created in the first place. A group of friends, workers, colleagues, a social group put together a team and decided to play together. Their intention was to win games, that is success. We are considered one of the big clubs because we used to win, because we had a relatively high trophy count. We didn't get to this place in a vacuum, we weren't just magicked up one day in the PL. We had a history of actual success, that's what created the identity of Spurs

You .

So that nuance, looking at other things in addition to trophies is valid for players, coaches and managers, but not chairmen in your opinion?