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Daniel Levy - Chairman

thfcsteff said:
I won't get into your initial comment versus this reply, except to say that I still do not believe anyone on GG thinks that if we pay the players we have more money they will play better. That's frankly silliness.

I will say that on the pod, we want patience applied for Ange. We also want him FULLY backed, whatever that means. We are not
saying he is not being backed.

I personally question whether Wilson Odobert or Timo Werner were his first choices, or whether they represented the best choices for the model we operate. I would take a guess at them being the latter.

Do you have any theory as to why he did not get Connor Gallagher, a player he clearly wanted?
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We have no idea of they were his first choices
What we do know is he has been clear, he gets final say
Id have love an Eze or another player
But it’s not always doable at the time
That’s normal for every club
 
thfcsteff said:
Agreed re: players and choices. Equally it can be that we simply didn't do what was necessary to get them for whatever reason.

Jose and Antonio knew what they were stepping into. I expected both to quit on principle. Instead they took the money.

No excuses being made for Ange whatsoever, unless he gets turfed out too soon because of either a mob-angry fanbase or a trigger-finger chairman; in which case he will deserve to use all these excuses and more, because the remit he has requires time and patience.
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There has to be a line somewhere, using Gallagher as an example, moving from a club that considers us a rival, and quite frankly hate us, to one of the biggest clubs in Spain, maybe we could have thrown enough money at both club and player to charge minds, but would it have been worth it, what is necessary and what is good business could be poles apart.

Ange also has a remit to get the best out of the squad he has, if you don’t have the right ingredients for the meal you want to make, you have to pick a different meal.
 
Bishop said:
I think that's because we've tended not to actually spend big money on guaranteed players or those at the very top of their game. It’s that prolonged period of previous performance and results that confers that status and what usually justifies the extreme cost. Our bigger signings have rarely been in that mould, I mean, I honestly can't think of any since Klinsmann. So with our bigger spends, there has always been an added element of risk vs the signings some of our rivals tend to make. The ones we buy tend to be the players the bigger clubs have already evaluated and decided against them or are biding their time to see if that player can make the next step at which they will then swoop in, those are the kind of signings we don't get involved in.
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The likes of Modric being the latter example. We got in early before others did
That’s the way to differentiate yourself
Smart buying
I know we wanted Neto than summer but we couldn’t agree payment terms. Chelsea paid more than the fee agreed to get better terms and we backed away
 
Bishop said:
I think that's because we've tended not to actually spend big money on guaranteed players or those at the very top of their game. Its that prolonged period of previous performance and results that confers that status and what usually justifies the extreme cost. Our bigger signings have rarely been in that mould, I mean, I honestly can't think of any since Klinsmann. So with our bigger spends, there has always been an added element of risk vs the signings some of our rivals tend to make. The ones we buy tend to be the players the bigger clubs have already evaluated and decided against them or are biding their time to see if that player can make the next step at which they will then swoop in, those are the kind of signings we don't get involved in.
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There were huge question marks over Klinsmann at the time, he’d had injuries and a poor time in Italy, it was more of a punt than the likes of Rebrov and Soldado were in latter years.

It only works when it works.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
You really believe that?
Or is the mind set of negativity after another crap result and a long delay before our next game
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Time after a bad result does make one reflect, that is true. And it has been more than 10 games now... ;)

But yes, we only bought one first-teamer when after finishing 5th (IF we wanted to challenge and push on) we clearly needed more than that...we mostly bought a lot of younger kids with potential and that was what we always tended to do in those periods pre new stadium
 
glorygloryeze said:
Time after a bad result does make one reflect, that is true. And it has been more than 10 games now... ;)

But yes, we only bought one first-teamer when after finishing 5th (IF we wanted to challenge and push on) we clearly needed more than that...we mostly bought a lot of younger kids with potential and that was what we always tended to do in those periods pre new stadium
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I don’t know if oderbert eas brought as a first teamer. But you mean pure starting 11 I think
I do think that out first 11 is a natch for anyone on their day. We have seen that
So adding to it is hard and where do you start
What we lacked was depth
It’s why I said we would be doing what arsbsal did and other ms too in squad building before the big single player purchases
People believe we need a better 6. Chances are that player is gonna cost a lot of money (look at the costs of rice, Caicido, Lavia, Enzo, Ugarte) and we prioritised in the summer window where we really were weakest (CF)
If you have depth you can build
If you have a great first 11 that relies on these new players and then get injured you’re screwed (arsenals season has ended according to some because they lost one player which is madness)
And of course building that squad takes time and money. It’s not all available at the same time
The club also (IMO) are thinking ahead with players we have brought and players we have developed. If we went out and brought another first team CB I think it sends the wrong message to the 3 young prospects we have.
We do have a good at left back and that’s where a smart signing who could cover CB too would work but those players are rare
GK back up is a concern. I think that will be addressed in the next few windows
We also have to sell. Those previous seasons you refer too, who did we sell? No one springs to mind for me and that’s quite toxic for a club. You end up with more players that you need and you dont get money in to balance PSR. That’s changed in the last couple of years too
 
Odobert plays off the left so a potential Son successor rather than automatic starter - not sure what the problem is there, seems smart.

Our supporters make me laugh, for years we have been complaining that we need to be smarter with our signings and asking why can't we buy the next big thing like Brighton (or whoever else is favourite of the month at the time) before they hit that level - now we're moving in to that market it's just another reason for complaint.


Some of you also need to go back and listen/read to what Ange has said regarding our transfer process - particularly post Dragusin signing, could also do with reminding yourselves with what he has said about only wanting players that are 100% committed to the transfer/destination - players weighing up whether us or Chelsea or Madrid or whoever is the best bet aren't going to be chased by him if they start wavering.
 
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billyiddo said:
Odobert plays off the left so a potential Son successor rather than automatic starter - not sure what the problem is there, seems smart.

Our supporters make me laugh, for years we have been complaining that we need to be smarter with our signings and asking why can't we buy the next big thing like Brighton (or whoever else is favourite of the month at the time) before they hit that level - now we're moving in to that market it's just another reason for complaint.


Some of you also need to go back and listen/read to what Ange has said regarding our transfer process - particularly post Dragusin signing, could also do with reminding yourselves with what he has said about only wanting players that are 100% committed to the transfer/destination - players weighing up whether us or Chelsea or Madrid or whoever is the best bet aren't going to be chased by him if they start wavering.
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The posters who are always complaining, probably need some form of therapy, and get to the bottom of why they are always complaining.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
The likes of Modric being the latter example. We got in early before others did
That’s the way to differentiate yourself
Smart buying
I know we wanted Neto than summer but we couldn’t agree payment terms. Chelsea paid more than the fee agreed to get better terms and we backed away
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As you know I'm perfectly happy buying the Modrics, I actually think that is what we should be doing. I think on the wider topic we just aren't a club that buys at the top of the market and at the peak of performance and that does limit the calibre of player we can regularly bring in if the scouting isn't quite right or has more so been our case historically there isn't the confidence to buy behind that scouting.
 
Baleforce said:
There were huge question marks over Klinsmann at the time, he’d had injuries and a poor time in Italy, it was more of a punt than the likes of Rebrov and Soldado were in latter years.

It only works when it works.
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I kind of agree that Klinsmann was a punt at the time, people thought he was on the downward curve but I don't really think Rebov or Soldado were punts per se. They were decent level players that we thought would work and high priced by our standards but they neither were ever at the pinnacle of the game. Neither were they players we truly had to fight with others to buy nor were either garnering the interest of the elite clubs. So they again more of the same sort of 2nd class bucket that we often buy from. Klinsmann was definitely a player that belonged in the 1st class bucket just one with some caveats next to due to the dents and bruises.
 
Bishop said:
As you know I'm perfectly happy buying the Modrics, I actually think that is what we should be doing. I think on the wider topic we just aren't a club that buys at the top of the market and at the peak of performance and that does limit the calibre of player we can regularly bring in if the scouting isn't quite right or has more so been our case historically there isn't the confidence to buy behind that scouting.
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who now buys at the top ?
I don’t think anyone does now
What everyone wants is the 22 year old who has 3/4 seasons behind them and 150 games in the top level
I think there is a dearth of superstars to buy
Wirtz is the next big mover but he is at a big club and would be joining someone bigger
United have been kinda buying rejects and they were the epitome of buying the proven ones with the developing ones under fergie
Madrid have stopped buying Galacticos
 
Baleforce said:
There were huge question marks over Klinsmann at the time, he’d had injuries and a poor time in Italy, it was more of a punt than the likes of Rebrov and Soldado were in latter years.

It only works when it works.
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There may have been a perception that Klinsmann was a little past his best in some quarters but his signing was a bolt from the blue in every respect. It was us going out and getting a top, top player at a time when the top foreign players didn't come to England. It was ballsy and ambitious.

I can't remember us making a similar signing since. Maybe Rafa.
 
DeanoAustin said:
There may have been a perception that Klinsmann was a little past his best in some quarters but his signing was a bolt from the blue in every respect. It was us going out and getting a top, top player at a time when the top foreign players didn't come to England. It was ballsy and ambitious.

I can't remember us making a similar signing since. Maybe Rafa.
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He just won the golden boot at the WC if I remember correctly
 
DeanoAustin said:
There may have been a perception that Klinsmann was a little past his best in some quarters but his signing was a bolt from the blue in every respect. It was us going out and getting a top, top player at a time when the top foreign players didn't come to England. It was ballsy and ambitious.

I can't remember us making a similar signing since. Maybe Rafa.
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He was a player who had had lean seasons in both Italy and France, and had some injury issues.

I’m sure other clubs passed on him before we got there.

VDV definitely in the ball park, and as I said earlier, Rebrov and Soldado too. Berbatov would be another example.
 
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