Daniel Levy - Chairman

[Bishop]

Or a relative abundance of common sense.

True, but ambition doesn't necessarily equal common sense.

In real life, ambition requires risk and boldness.

 

[billyiddo]

I think there's a reasonable argument to made that by paying a lower percentage of our revenue on wages than our "rivals" that it shows our relative lack of ambition.

Depends. We're taking a snapshot of our wage to turnover ratio as it stands currently and comparing to our rivals, currently all of our main competitors are further ahead with their squad development than we are (more or less) so our wage bill is naturally going to reflect that (detailed in an earlier post but essentially we have & are clearing out our older deadwood players while bringing in younger players to develop) as we develop over the coming seasons this should be reflected with the wage bill growing. Arsenal's wage bill dropped down a fair bit for a couple of season recently while they were gutting the pre Edu & Arteta mess iirc

Another point to mention is that our revenue has grown considerably in a short amount of time, so as a ratio the wage bill will lag somewhat behind that and take time to 'catch up'

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Depends. We're taking a snapshot of our wage to turnover ratio as it stands currently and comparing to our rivals, currently all of our main competitors are further ahead with their squad development than we are (more or less) so our wage bill is naturally going to reflect that (detailed in an earlier post but essentially we have & are clearing out our older deadwood players while bringing in younger players to develop) as we develop over the coming seasons this should be reflected with the wage bill growing. Arsenal's wage bill dropped down a fair bit for a couple of season recently while they were gutting the pre Edu & Arteta mess iirc

Another point to mention is that our revenue has grown considerably in a short amount of time, so as a ratio the wage bill will lag somewhat behind that and take time to 'catch up'

I actually think we have some fans who think we will actually perform better by paying more on wages

 

[billyiddo]

I actually think we have some fans who think we will actually perform better by paying more on wages

Performance/results do closely follow wage expenditure tbf but it's not as simple as spending more on wages to get results - you need to build a squad with top talent across the board to be successful and that obviously costs money - but you can spend the money badly and not get the results.

 

[Baleforce]

I actually think we have some fans who think we will actually perform better by paying more on wages

Yep, just give Vic a pay rise and he’ll concede fewer goals. Simples.

Or bring our turnover down and pay the same out.

Instant success.

 

[billyiddo]

For me, that summer says everything that was wrong.
Hindsight tells us that this was the time to part ways and find the right next step. Instead, perhaps because he couldn't stand the thought of being unpopular, Levy went out of his way to patch up with Poch, including sanctioning signing those two. Having done that, he then promptly allows himself to be snowed by that charlatan Mourinho and once he knows he has Mourinho in the bag (he would had to have had a written memo at least with him behind Poch's back) promptly sacks Poch knowing that he can unveil Mourinho within 24 hours.

I think it is perfectly fair to not quite trust Daniel in these moments. I still think the way he handled Poch was a total disgrace personally.

While that is mostly agreeable Steff and i certainly don't need any persuading that the club fudged things up with the whole Poch > Jose > Nuno > Conte merry-go-round, the discussion being had around those quotes was regarding our spending post-stadium

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Performance/results do closely follow wage expenditure tbf but it's not as simple as spending more on wages to get results - you need to build a squad with top talent across the board to be successful and that obviously costs money - but you can spend the money badly and not get the results.

It follows closer the teams who spend the most on players and wages
It’s objective been knocked back on that metric with United and Chelsea being various whilst city are just adding singular players

 

[thfcsteff]

I actually think we have some fans who think we will actually perform better by paying more on wages

Come on mate, that's a cheap shot. I think you know the discussion being had, and it is absolutely nothing like as binary as you've tried to represent it there.

 

[thfcsteff]

Performance/results do closely follow wage expenditure tbf but it's not as simple as spending more on wages to get results - you need to build a squad with top talent across the board to be successful and that obviously costs money - but you can spend the money badly and not get the results.

Right. Do we think that perhaps Lo Celso and Ndombele have proven 'scary' to some in that regard? And would there be agreement that if that was the case, it would be a position which lacks context?

I will say that curiously, our biggest ticket signings generally have not worked out (Rebrov, Bobby S, etc)...curious...

 

[Baleforce]

Right. Do we think that perhaps Lo Celso and Ndombele have proven 'scary' to some in that regard? And would there be agreement that if that was the case, it would be a position which lacks context?

I will say that curiously, our biggest ticket signings generally have not worked out (Rebrov, Bobby S, etc)...curious...

Not always not worked out because of them though.

Rebrov was an exceptional footballer for example, the reason it didn’t work, was that the only player in the squad anywhere near his level, was our right back.

I think the lesson there is don’t go too good to early, slowly iterate.

The original VDV was a player in the Rebrov envelope, but he came into a team with much more about it, and it worked.

 

[billyiddo]

Right. Do we think that perhaps Lo Celso and Ndombele have proven 'scary' to some in that regard? And would there be agreement that if that was the case, it would be a position which lacks context?

I will say that curiously, our biggest ticket signings generally have not worked out (Rebrov, Bobby S, etc)...curious...

I'd hope that there was some kind of internal review regarding what went wrong over this period and I think I remember reading that prior to Paratichis appointment maybe even alongside it, there had been something along those lines regarding a review of how we operate, football wise, which led to the new structure being put in place.