Daniel Levy - Chairman

[Batspur]

The banners should not say "Levy out"


They should say "Please massively increase player spending; we have enough headroom under PSR FFP and all the other acronyms, I admire your model but there is scope to do more ASAP"

He has proven himself to be an incompetent football chairman over a quarter of a century.

It's literally in front of your eyes. Why do you think he will suddenly change and be a competent football chairman? What is your evidence of this?

He is now an old man. He isn't going to change. He needs to shamed out of this club and his legacy never be repeated.

He fudged up the stadium build and he's fudged up the team. His training ground has produced one starter since it opened 12 years ago.

He is a failure. His stench of failure permeates the club. His lack of energy and negativity explains why we are a club in stasis/decline. He is a souless man with dead eyes.

We are very unlucky to be spurs fans in the period this useless clam has controlled us.

 

[billyiddo]

Huge huge difference between wanting change and having solution
I posted about this not that long ago
What is the change?
No one can tell us because there isn’t an option, so nothing to back
It’s a Monty python sketch basically….
It’s pretty much Brexit. We must leave Europe because it’s bad. We don’t know the alternative but it will be better… here’s a bus with some stickers ok it to confirm it
Show me what the alternative looks like and I can back it more but right now asking people to back something that actually doesn’t exist isn’t effective

Bloody good analogy

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Munn is not a DoF

Bloody good analogy

Thanks
I’ll throw another curveball in
My mate who I go with is an ex dirt addict. He is now a sponsor for many people going through what he did
I was driving Sunday to the station and he was on the phone to another guy
Afterwards I said what’s the key issue you guys have .. and it was … willingness to change
His words stuck with me (apart from the higher power part)
Everyone wants to change
We all would like to be bigger, smaller, thinner, fatter…. Whatever we ain’t today, but are we willing to do what it takes to get there
An I said what makes them get the willingness.. he said they can see what the future looks like if they do change
Now on the spurs front, if someone can tell us the new owners will do this, this and this…. Great. But at the moment it’s just Levy is a a half dwarf, Ange is a far Ozzy clown shoe. I can’t comment for everyone of course but to me when your angle is to mainly just call people names it’s not very effective

 

[Batspur]

Thanks
I’ll throw another curveball in
My mate who I go with is an ex dirt addict. He is now a sponsor for many people going through what he did
I was driving Sunday to the station and he was on the phone to another guy
Afterwards I said what’s the key issue you guys have .. and it was … willingness to change
His words stuck with me (apart from the higher power part)
Everyone wants to change
We all would like to be bigger, smaller, thinner, fatter…. Whatever we ain’t today, but are we willing to do what it takes to get there
An I said what makes them get the willingness.. he said they can see what the future looks like if they do change
Now on the spurs front, if someone can tell us the new owners will do this, this and this…. Great. But at the moment it’s just Levy is a a half dwarf, Ange is a far Ozzy clown shoe. I can’t comment for everyone of course but to me when your angle is to mainly just call people names it’s not very effective

Such a bizarre analogy.

But to your last point. If something isn't working and hasn't worked for 25 years. Basically a lifetime. Then you have to start again. No one can predict the future so you will not get that so stop asking for it.

Embrace change. Change is what is required. The current shambles in charge is a failed model. We need to change it.

It's really that simple. If a new model doesn't work we try again. Pushing forward with a proven failed model is madness and a waste of everyone's time and money.

Levy needs to shamed out of the club like Sugar was.

 

[Baleforce]

So a straight question.
Do people think Daniel's wage and transfer policy hasn't contributed, over time, to our inability to win things or go the extra mile when in position to do so?

I don’t think it has.

I think what’s cost us is players bottling it at key moments, and not squad players either, the absolute superstars of our club are the ones that disappeared when we were close.

As Bedford says, having so many other clubs around us cheating has contributed too.

We’re actually not doing that badly, we’ve been to a CL final, almost won the league twice, other than City, Chelsea, Liverpool and United who has done more?

We’ve pretty much matched Arsenal, they’ve not won the league or CL in that time either.

What I do think Levy’s structure has done, is take us from being an irrelevance, to one of the biggest clubs in Europe.

 

[Batspur]

I don’t think it has.

I think what’s cost us is players bottling it at key moments, and not squad players either, the absolute superstars of our club are the ones that disappeared when we were close.

As Bedford says, having so many other clubs around us cheating has contributed too.

We’re actually not doing that badly, we’ve been to a CL final, almost won the league twice, other than City, Chelsea, Liverpool and United who has done more?

We’ve pretty much matched Arsenal, they’ve not won the league or CL in that time either.

What I do think Levy’s structure has done, is take us from being an irrelevance, to one of the biggest clubs in Europe.

Amazing lack of self awareness. Amazing admission that failure is what you are happy with.

Scum fans won 3 FA Cups in 4 years and still weren't happy. clams. But that's on them. But to say we have matched them is delusional at best.

Insanity is probably more apt.

We were not close to winning the league. I was there. We had an outside chance at best.

fudge me. The mental gymnastics the levy lickers have to do each day must be exhausting.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I don’t think it has.

I think what’s cost us is players bottling it at key moments, and not squad players either, the absolute superstars of our club are the ones that disappeared when we were close.

As Bedford says, having so many other clubs around us cheating has contributed too.

We’re actually not doing that badly, we’ve been to a CL final, almost won the league twice, other than City, Chelsea, Liverpool and United who has done more?

We’ve pretty much matched Arsenal, they’ve not won the league or CL in that time either.

What I do think Levy’s structure has done, is take us from being an irrelevance, to one of the biggest clubs in Europe.

One of the biggest clubs on turnover
The key word there is turnover
I keep on reading and hearing richest and that is just not true
Your shopping trolley analogy was great yesterday
There is a meme about husband and wife and things that irritate the husband … the end joke is the wife is popping to B&Ms to buy a few things…. £300 later they house is full of new candles and some bathroom rugs

 

[Glenda's Legs]

Amazing lack of self awareness. Amazing admission that failure is what you are happy with.

Scum fans won 3 FA Cups in 4 years and still weren't happy. clams. But that's on them. But to say we have matched them is delusional at best.

Insanity is probably more apt.

We were not close to winning the league. I was there. We had an outside chance at best.

fudge me. The mental gymnastics the levy lickers have to do each day must be exhausting.

You are clearly a very angry person but your opinion is yours and you are entitled to it. But can’t you express yourself without resorting to phrases such as “Levy lickers”? It just feels totally unnecessary.

 

[RigorMortis]

Huge huge difference between wanting change and having solution
I posted about this not that long ago
What is the change?
No one can tell us because there isn’t an option, so nothing to back
It’s a Monty python sketch basically….
It’s pretty much Brexit. We must leave Europe because it’s bad. We don’t know the alternative but it will be better… here’s a bus with some stickers ok it to confirm it
Show me what the alternative looks like and I can back it more but right now asking people to back something that actually doesn’t exist isn’t effective

Of course there’s a huge difference between wanting a change and having a solution.

The key difference between this and Brexit is we don’t have a say by voting and we don’t have insight into the footballing ownership landscape and what buyers are out there and how they would perform.

That said and although I wasn’t a brexiteer, but your analogy doesn’t work there either. Brexit was a referendum, why would a brexiteer need to show a remainer the alternative, that was the role of the campaigners.

Back to Spurs and to suggest fans can’t ask for change because they don’t have a viable alternative is naive and frankly rather a silly suggestion. Let’s all get our little black book of billionaire out and give em a call, shall we?
We are fans, we will see how our club is performing and form an opinion.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Of course there’s a huge difference between wanting a change and having a solution.

The key difference between this and Brexit is we don’t have a say by voting and we don’t have insight into the footballing ownership landscape and what buyers are out there and how they would perform.

That said and although I wasn’t a brexiteer, but your analogy doesn’t work there either. Brexit was a referendum, why would a brexiteer need to show a remainer the alternative, that was the role of the campaigners.

Back to Spurs and to suggest fans can’t ask for change because they don’t have a viable alternative is naive and frankly rather a silly suggestion. Let’s all get our little black book of billionaire out and give em a call, shall we?
We are fans, we will see how our club is performing and form an opinion.

The issue you have again.. like all the levy out crew is your assuming I don’t want change, when I clearly have said I do
I say it regularly
I haven’t met a fan who doesn’t. The issue remains and clearly you can’t address it, what’s the change. What is it you want different
Lets sack levy
He is still there in the background with his money/profit/capital at risk so nothing changes apart from the face
We what new owners
Great, who are they?
No one can say because so far there hasn’t been any that anyone publicly is aware of
Right now the the crusade can’t succeed because no one can say what success looks like

 

[Bedfordspurs]

You are clearly a very angry person but your opinion is yours and you are entitled to it. But can’t you express yourself without resorting to phrases such as “Levy lickers”? It just feels totally unnecessary.

He can’t because he is angry
It’s why my Brexit reference stacks up even more
There was a lot of name calling in that too

 

[billyiddo]

The thing with new owners is that unlike new players or new managers where we can all see the alternative options and have something to measure their performances/ability against, a new owner is literally just a random businessman/men - it's a literal shot in the dark as to whether they would be any good/better at running a football club or are wanting to get in to ownership for the right reasons (success on the pitch). People say they are happy to take that chance but I think that's an easy thing to say without actually having to think about the consequences of it going wrong. One of the biggest falsehoods put forward as a complaint of ENIC is that they are siphoning off money, well with the way the club is set up off the pitch the chance of a new owner looking at that and thinking there's a lot of scope to take a big wedge of money out of the club year on year would be quite high imv, if the complaint that ENIC treat us as an entertainment venue with a football club attached is true (which i disagree with) then why would an outside person(s) with no prior links or ties to THFC treat us any different/better in that regard?

 

[Yiddo]

The thing with new owners is that unlike new players or new managers where we can all see the alternative options and have something to measure their prrformances/ability against, a new owner is literally just a random businessman/men - it's a literal shot in the dark as to whether they would be any good/better at running a football club. People say they are happy to take that chance but I think that's an easy thing to say without actually having to think about the consequences of it going wrong. One of the biggest falsehoods put forward as a complaint of ENIC is that they are siphoning off money, well with the way the club is set up off the pitch the chance of a new owner looking at that and thinking there's a lot of scope to take a big wedge of money out of the club year on year would be quite high imv, if the complaint that ENIC treat us as an entertainment venue with a football club attached is true (which i disagree with) then why would an outside person(s) with no prior links or ties to THFC treat us any different/better in that regard?

Nail on head.

 

[glorygloryeze]

So a straight question.
Do people think Daniel's wage and transfer policy hasn't contributed, over time, to our inability to win things or go the extra mile when in position to do so?

I think the term 'Spurzy' starts from the top, and that is Levy/ENIC.

We have almost certainly missed out on targets due to the policy to not 'overspend' on agent fees etc, but then when panic sets in they often end up paying more than a player would be worth anyway, just to keep the baying crowd/manager at bay: think ending up buying Sissoko instead of Mane even though the cost difference in the long run might have even made us save money if we'd been brave and gone for Mane when our stock was higher.

There is of course merit in setting your limits in terms of transfer fees you're willing to pay etc. But we find ourselves more and more unattractive to players who would make a difference unless we have a difference-maker in the dugout who will create that pull or a world-class player that a prospective players would die to play alongside -unless we pay more in fees and wages.

We seemingly are now back to buying a bulk of young players and hoping they reach world class levels so we can sell them like we did Bale, Modric etc. The problem with that is that fans need to see something for the 'now' in the meantime - plus, did we really need to build a new stadium to then just behave the same way we did in 2004? Also, those young players want to win now as well..and the irony is that the likes of Real Madrid are buying the young up-and-coming now anyway, so there are bigger clubs for these 'top young players' to go rather than use us as a stepping stone (the model i think Levy/ENIC would prefer we work in as that is most profitable).

Ultimately, we have 25 years of a body of evidence to answer that question now...

 

[Baleforce]

I think the term 'Spurzy' starts from the top, and that is Levy/ENIC.

We have almost certainly missed out on targets due to the policy to not 'overspend' on agent fees etc, but then when panic sets in they often end up paying more than a player would be worth anyway, just to keep the baying crowd/manager at bay: think ending up buying Sissoko instead of Mane even though the cost difference in the long run might have even made us save money if we'd been brave and gone for Mane when our stock was higher.

There is of course merit in setting your limits in terms of transfer fees you're willing to pay etc. But we find ourselves more and more unattractive to players who would make a difference unless we have a difference-maker in the dugout who will create that pull or a world-class player that a prospective players would die to play alongside -unless we pay more in fees and wages.

We seemingly are now back to buying a bulk of young players and hoping they reach world class levels so we can sell them like we did Bale, Modric etc. The problem with that is that fans need to see something for the 'now' in the meantime - plus, did we really need to build a new stadium to then just behave the same way we did in 2004? Also, those young players want to win now as well..and the irony is that the likes of Real Madrid are buying the young up-and-coming now anyway, so there are bigger clubs for these 'top young players' to go rather than use us as a stepping stone (the model i think Levy/ENIC would prefer we work in as that is most profitable).

Ultimately, we have 25 years of a body of evidence to answer that question now...

Those big spending risks are far more likely to go wrong than right.

Had that been the plan from the start we may never have had the massive improvement, and likely would still be playing in the tiny run down version of the lane.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Careful what you wish for. We can categorise football club owners into two: US investment vehicles, and wealthy billionaire interests looking for a play thing or sports washing.

So should Enic sell up, we would be looking at a private investment vehicle probably based in the US, most likely. They will look for a return on investment. There is a perception that the PL has more profit to be unleashed. But without a wage cap, and clubs being able to sell viewing rights directly to fans, Idk that there are such simple profits to be garnered. The viewing figures and potential is undeniable, but there would have to be some changes to the football setup to realise the huge profits that many US investors see (e.g. a wage cap). This perceptoin is based on the profits that have been generated in the US with their native sports, that have a smaller global reach. Is it a false view, or are they onto something?

Point is: most interest in buying Spurs would come from the US. And a tantalising belief that the huge global fanbase can be exploited in the future. At what point do these interests lose interest, however, if they are not generating profits?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I think the term 'Spurzy' starts from the top, and that is Levy/ENIC.

We have almost certainly missed out on targets due to the policy to not 'overspend' on agent fees etc, but then when panic sets in they often end up paying more than a player would be worth anyway, just to keep the baying crowd/manager at bay: think ending up buying Sissoko instead of Mane even though the cost difference in the long run might have even made us save money if we'd been brave and gone for Mane when our stock was higher.

There is of course merit in setting your limits in terms of transfer fees you're willing to pay etc. But we find ourselves more and more unattractive to players who would make a difference unless we have a difference-maker in the dugout who will create that pull or a world-class player that a prospective players would die to play alongside -unless we pay more in fees and wages.

We seemingly are now back to buying a bulk of young players and hoping they reach world class levels so we can sell them like we did Bale, Modric etc. The problem with that is that fans need to see something for the 'now' in the meantime - plus, did we really need to build a new stadium to then just behave the same way we did in 2004? Also, those young players want to win now as well..and the irony is that the likes of Real Madrid are buying the young up-and-coming now anyway, so there are bigger clubs for these 'top young players' to go rather than use us as a stepping stone (the model i think Levy/ENIC would prefer we work in as that is most profitable).

Ultimately, we have 25 years of a body of evidence to answer that question now...

Without the stadium we couldn’t afford to these youngsters
The club would be less attractive to them too
And rather than say we are buying youngsters …you have added the “to sell” bit
We don’t know that
What we do know is we have had an ongoing issue with the ag wood the squad and the younger players address that. They also will fix the HG issue
They aren’t all for now players, that no one. CAn argue with for sure. And e have an issue in the squad depth after letting so many go
That is on the club 100%

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Those big spending risks are far more likely to go wrong than right.

Had that been the plan from the start we may never have had the massive improvement, and likely would still be playing in the tiny run down version of the lane.

Don’t get your logic there
Buying ahh player has a risk so I don’t see how you differentiate that a higher cost player is more likely to fail other than maybe added pressure, but the counter would be they would have performed better already to justify the higher cost

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

It’s the one thing I keep on coming back to
I want us to spend more and we need too
Everyone talks PSR head room… I heard it three times on the platform yesterday
Just because the rules mean you can spend more it doesn’t mean you have the money to do so
So where is it going to come from?

You're right, there's not MORE money.

It would have to come from the transfer fee budget. (Which if reduced would then be complained about)

And of course the budget is dictated by our revenue.

Player sales is one stream that has been underperforming for years now...and one with a direct link into providing liquidity for buys and wages (ie not re-directed elsewhere)

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Such a bizarre analogy.

But to your last point. If something isn't working and hasn't worked for 25 years. Basically a lifetime. Then you have to start again. No one can predict the future so you will not get that so stop asking for it.

Embrace change. Change is what is required. The current shambles in charge is a failed model. We need to change it.

It's really that simple. If a new model doesn't work we try again. Pushing forward with a proven failed model is madness and a waste of everyone's time and money.

Levy needs to shamed out of the club like Sugar was.

Sugar had a buyer
He sold it to the first people with money