Daniel Levy - Chairman

[Baleforce]

Fair enough mate. But take Arsenal as a yardstick (for example). They were worth $1.2B in 2009 as per Forbes. They are worth $2.4B now according to the same organization. Despite being far less competitive now than they were in the 2000's (when they only had United and Chelsea to compete with), and despite the new stadium effect having worn off, they're still worth roughly double what they were 15 years ago.

Most clubs have grown in valuation due to the explosion in TV deals and associated broadcast revenue. We're no exception.



We are based in the UK mate. It makes more sense to compare a British CEO's salary to another British CEO's, rather than to an American one.

I disagree, it’s a global game, how many of those British businesses have anywhere near the recognition factor of a big PL club?

 

[Jurgen the German]

Performance on the pitch has largely been good, outperformed only by those with greater resource or those that do financial dope.

There is only one trophy worth winning now, and not many of our peers have managed it, only the super clubs and the cheats.

It’s still a bit laughable being the highest paid chairman in the league when we’ve won the square root of naff all during his tenure. Hell, we haven’t been a consistent CL club since Poch so he doesn’t even have that to fall back on. We’ve been outperformed by Villa over the last 3 seasons, and we’re being outperformed by Brighton and Bournemouth at the moment.

 

[Baleforce]

It doesn’t make any sense to compare him to anything or anyone who isn’t a co-owner
Maybe Mike Ashley would be comparable
And I have no idea how much he gets paid
Why do we have people obsess over it anyway … who cares what he gets paid. Unless someone makes him an offer he can’t refuse he ain’t going away
The fans won’t drive him a way unless the fans have the £€$

It’s a tiny number in our finances too, just a red herring to try and slap in someone’s face.

 

[Baleforce]

It’s still a bit laughable being the highest paid chairman in the league when we’ve won the square root of naff all during his tenure. Hell, we haven’t been a consistent CL club since Poch so he doesn’t even have that to fall back on. We’ve been outperformed by Villa over the last 3 seasons, and we’re being outperformed by Brighton and Bournemouth at the moment.

I don’t find it laughable, it’s not even that accurate a number, you really think he’s taking home more than Sheik Mansour?

Would you rather have had Villa’s last 25 years?

 

[makkag]

Fair enough mate. But take Arsenal as a yardstick (for example). They were worth $1.2B in 2009 as per Forbes. They are worth $2.4B now according to the same organization. Despite being far less competitive now than they were in the 2000's (when they only had United and Chelsea to compete with), and despite the new stadium effect having worn off, they're still worth roughly double what they were 15 years ago.

Most clubs have grown in valuation due to the explosion in TV deals and associated broadcast revenue. We're no exception.



We are based in the UK mate. It makes more sense to compare a British CEO's salary to another British CEO's, rather than to an American one.

Can't go back on Forbes any further than 2015 on what I can see on phone but that val was $600m now $3.3bn --- that's outrageous growth and outperformed arse and any other non doped .. again calling out the zero value thing here .. not your opinion on him as a person or if someone better ... any ceo in charge of that kind of growth would have a case for the wages he is having a pointy stick shaken at him over

 

[billyiddo]

If he was paid less would it make his performance as chairman any more/less acceptable in anyones eyes? No? So why even focus on it fudge me

 

[DeanoAustin]

Levy doesn’t even get 6m basic a year. He’s had it a couple of years because he’s heavily bonused. His basic is around half that IIRC.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

It’s still a bit laughable being the highest paid chairman in the league when we’ve won the square root of naff all during his tenure. Hell, we haven’t been a consistent CL club since Poch so he doesn’t even have that to fall back on. We’ve been outperformed by Villa over the last 3 seasons, and we’re being outperformed by Brighton and Bournemouth at the moment.

He ain’t the chairman
He is the owner
Think of it that way

 

[DubSpur]

Levy doesn’t even get 6m basic a year. He’s had it a couple of years because he’s heavily bonused. His basic is around half that IIRC.

The 6m was due to back dated bonuses that he didn't take.

 

[Jurgen the German]

I don’t find it laughable, it’s not even that accurate a number, you really think he’s taking home more than Sheik Mansour?

Would you rather have had Villa’s last 25 years?

I don’t think anyone knows what Mansour earns. We can only go on what is published. I’d rather have had Liverpool’s, Arsenal’s, Chelsea’s last 25 years than ours.

 

[Jurgen the German]

He ain’t the chairman
He is the owner
Think of it that way

Regardless, he’s reportedly the highest paid director in the league. I was surprised to see Brighton’s director of football 2nd in the list. He’s done a great job, but you have to have tangible success I.e. trophies IMO.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Regardless, he’s reportedly the highest paid director in the league. I was surprised to see Brighton’s director of football 2nd in the list. He’s done a great job, but you have to have tangible success I.e. trophies IMO.

He is an owner
He can take the money one way or another
It’s so different
He doesn’t need any success to take money out. If the club is profitable he can take money out
This way he takes a legitimate salary and pays tax accordingly
He isn’t the answer of course but his salary makes no difference at all in reality
And as I keep on saying, unless someone stumps up a lot of £££ he ain’t leaving
He will just sack another manager and it goes on
It’s his baby, his toy, his thing and he won’t relinquish it without a huge amount of ££

 

[elltrev]

Sure, but the thing about valuation mate, is that you need to prove that the additional valuation is because of Levy being there, versus just the general explosion in value across the Premier League in that time frame.

Being an ever present in the Premier League has boosted our value. Our run of good performances in the 2010s boosted our value. The stadium boosted our value. But how much of that could be traced back to Levy, versus just the general growth in valuations of all clubs across the league in that time?

I think the point @Finney Is Back and I are making, is that you could take a third of that 6M salary, put it towards any FTSE 500 CEO, and received a comparable performance to what Levy has overseen. His wisdom isn't worth paying him triple what the CEO of Liverpool is paid.

I’ve posted this before, showing that our revenue as a percentage of the richest PL club’s revenue has grown a fair bit since Levy was here:

http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/attachments/upload_2023-1-24_11-5-26-png.14981/

The only club that’s done better is Man C, but they did it with a £1bn gift from their owners.

 

[P.D.]

Not true. There are typically always free transfers and loan signings available,

Anyone worthy of that level of wage is unlikely to join us, if we sign someone on that wage we've likely overpaid to get them to join us. We're simply not in that league of clubs.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

fudging hell we are talking about £2-3m extra a year (only in some years) for a chairman thats fair to say probably puts the hours in. That's hardly significant in the world of football money wasting.

Its a 10-15 week Ndombele or an 8 week Casemiro.

If you don't like him, fair enough but it's a stupid angle of attack in this industry

 

[Jurgen the German]

fudging hell we are talking about £2-3m extra a year (only in some years) for a chairman thats fair to say probably puts the hours in. That's hardly significant in the world of football money wasting.

Its a 10-15 week Ndombele or an 8 week Casemiro.

If you don't like him, fair enough but it's a stupid angle of attack in this industry

It’s not that he gets paid a lot, it’s that he gets paid MORE than chairman who have actually won things. Surely being successful isn’t just purely financially based? We’re a football club at the end of the day and the goal is to win. And the discrepancy between being the highest paid director and NOT paying anywhere near the highest wages in the league is stark.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

fudging hell we are talking about £2-3m extra a year (only in some years) for a chairman thats fair to say probably puts the hours in. That's hardly significant in the world of football money wasting.

Its a 10-15 week Ndombele or an 8 week Casemiro.

If you don't like him, fair enough but it's a stupid angle of attack in this industry

I don’t get all the talk about him being chairman
Maybe it should ass chairman et owner and call him CEO to help

 

[Baleforce]

It’s not that he gets paid a lot, it’s that he gets paid MORE than chairman who have actually won things. Surely being successful isn’t just purely financially based? We’re a football club at the end of the day and the goal is to win.

How many won things through good business practice, rather than just throwing endless money at the squad?

Surely the how is more important than the what.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

How many won things through good business practice, rather than just throwing endless money at the squad?

Surely the how is more important than the what.

The key is being successful by the metrics of the plc
They are pre set
But… he will set most of them as the active owner and shareholder

 

[Jurgen the German]

How many won things through good business practice, rather than just throwing endless money at the squad?

Surely the how is more important than the what.

What’s wrong with throwing money at the squad? Sometimes in life you have to throw money at problems. Like when you’re 15th in the league and staring relegation in the face for example.