Daniel Levy - Chairman

[Finney Is Back]

Now I know you're just a WUM.
He had a pretty damn good,and successful, job before coming to Spurs.
Spurs was easily a step down and big career risk, and he's transformed the club into a solid business with some of the best foundations in world football.

Well let’s hope he can step back up and THFC can put the very high package to better use

 

[makkag]

For sure mate. Joe Lewis's tea lady also works for Tavistock, but I am not sure you are implying that this qualifies her to run an oil and gas company.

Levy's job history is essentially running a Mr. Byrite discount clothing store and then using his friendship with Joe Lewis to blag a job running Tavistock's football arm as chairman of Spurs, a job he's sat in or 25 years with next to zero value provided throughout.

O&G execs are made of steelier, smarter stuff.

Interesting take and your entitled to it. again zero value doesn't hold up though on even just a valuation then v now for THFC Ltd

 

[Baleforce]

None of our players earn more than that now mate. The last ones who probably did, Kane and Ndombele, were flogged last year.

But for context, for a period, Levy was paying himself more than Kane and Pochettino. His contribution to this club has been basically zero, and far, far outweighed by both of those men - a useless deadweight paying himself more than two club legends is the definition of pointless greed.

If you are not going to be serious I’m out.

 

[Baleforce]

Wherever you land on the Levy debate, there’s just no way he should be (reportedly) the highest paid chairman in the league.

Which other club has had such a huge increase in value and performance without financial doping?

 

[Baleforce]

Jose wasn’t a logical choice, he was on the downside of his career when we got him and still is now. But when you get, why sack him 1 week before a cup final? Winning trophies against stronger opposition is Jose’s calling card.

Conte with his robust personality and tendency to want ready made players wasn’t a good fit for our club despite being undoubtedly a brilliant manager.

Nuno is a lovely bloke and I’m happy for him that he’s going so well at Forest but again, not the right man for us.

Ange is more suited to how we operate, he’s just not the right man for the job.

Iraola would be the most sensible and well-suited to how we run things but knowing Levy he will probably do a 180 and go for Dyche.

Jose is arguably the greatest football manager of all time.

Of course you give it a go.

Sacking him then was a mistake yes.

 

[DubaiSpur]

Interesting take and your entitled to it. again zero value doesn't hold up though on even just a valuation then v now for THFC Ltd

Sure, but the thing about valuation mate, is that you need to prove that the additional valuation is because of Levy being there, versus just the general explosion in value across the Premier League in that time frame.

Being an ever present in the Premier League has boosted our value. Our run of good performances in the 2010s boosted our value. The stadium boosted our value. But how much of that could be traced back to Levy, versus just the general growth in valuations of all clubs across the league in that time?

I think the point @Finney Is Back and I are making, is that you could take a third of that 6M salary, put it towards any FTSE 500 CEO, and received a comparable performance to what Levy has overseen. His wisdom isn't worth paying him triple what the CEO of Liverpool is paid.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Sure, but the thing about valuation mate, is that you need to prove that the additional valuation is because of Levy being there, versus just the general explosion in value across the Premier League in that time frame.

Being an ever present in the Premier League has boosted our value. Our run of good performances in the 2010s boosted our value. The stadium boosted our value. But how much of that could be traced back to Levy, versus just the general growth in valuations of all clubs across the league in that time?

I think the point @Finney Is Back and I are making, is that you could take a third of that 6M salary, put it towards any FTSE 500 CEO, and received a comparable performance to what Levy has overseen. His wisdom isn't worth paying him triple what the CEO of Liverpool is paid.

The valuation is whatever they choose if they decide to sell
The pay for levy is again his way to make a living (a well paid one) as his money is in the club and can’t be liquid until sold
He can take it as dividends though

 

[Baleforce]

Sure, but the thing about valuation mate, is that you need to prove that the additional valuation is because of Levy being there, versus just the general explosion in value across the Premier League in that time frame.

Being an ever present in the Premier League has boosted our value. Our run of good performances in the 2010s boosted our value. The stadium boosted our value. But how much of that could be traced back to Levy, versus just the general growth in valuations of all clubs across the league in that time?

I think the point @Finney Is Back and I are making, is that you could take a third of that 6M salary, put it towards any FTSE 500 CEO, and received a comparable performance to what Levy has overseen. His wisdom isn't worth paying him triple what the CEO of Liverpool is paid.

You know how much most CEO’s in the S&P500 are bringing in?

6m a year is chump change.

 

[Batspur]

You just gotta the love the Levy defenders.

They remind me of the band on the Titanic.

 

[DubaiSpur]

You know how much most CEO’s in the S&P500 are bringing in?

6m a year is chump change.

The average salary of a FTSE 100 CEO is £4.2M mate.

Levy pays himself 50% more than the average salary for the leaders of Britain's biggest companies.

Again - you could take any one of them, swap them out with Levy, and have a comparative or better level of performance. And that's with zero experience in football - no doubt they will get better with time, and won't need 25 years to take a team from lower midtable to...lower midtable.

 

[DubaiSpur]

It is said that when Poch went to Copenhagen in summer 2018 to see if Eriksen would sign a contract, he said the reason he would not was because of Levy. A principle. Apparantly Levy was hard-balling him over his contract, and during the negotiations, gave himself a 3 or 4 mill bonus (I might be a bit 'off' with those figures).

Here is a story fromm that time. I know you know.

https://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnati...l-levy-salary-player-unrest-wage-negotiations

For sure mate, and it was in the back of my mind as I made that comment. I am convinced more players than just Eriksen have either agitated to leave, or just refused to join, because of the disparity between how grudgingly we treat our players and how well our leader pays himself.

 

[Baleforce]

The average salary of a FTSE 100 CEO is £4.2M mate.

Levy pays himself 50% more than the average salary for the leaders of Britain's biggest companies.

Again - you could take any one of them, swap them out with Levy, and have a comparative or better level of performance. And that's with zero experience in football - no doubt they will get better with time, and won't need 25 years to take a team from lower midtable to...lower midtable.

I said the S&P500, which is more comparable to sports businesses imo.

 

[makkag]

Sure, but the thing about valuation mate, is that you need to prove that the additional valuation is because of Levy being there, versus just the general explosion in value across the Premier League in that time frame.

Being an ever present in the Premier League has boosted our value. Our run of good performances in the 2010s boosted our value. The stadium boosted our value. But how much of that could be traced back to Levy, versus just the general growth in valuations of all clubs across the league in that time?

I think the point @Finney Is Back and I are making, is that you could take a third of that 6M salary, put it towards any FTSE 500 CEO, and received a comparable performance to what Levy has overseen. His wisdom isn't worth paying him triple what the CEO of Liverpool is paid.

Similarly using your logic you'd have to prove the valuation would have increasedas much without him .. it has so is the easier argument to justify, you meantion the stadium and he was the one that delivered it .. as another poster pointed out name another non doped club that has grown as we have ... now that could have happened with someone else granted , but it has happened with him .. so the zero impact is a non starter ... we won't agree clearly have very different opinions and that's fine .. but you have to give him his flowers on all other aspects than winning trophies

 

[Jurgen the German]

Which other club has had such a huge increase in value and performance without financial doping?

Do you not think performances on the pitch should also be taken into account? When you’re the highest paid chairman in the league but you won’t pay the players top dollar then it’s not a good look. 1 trophy in 16 years just doesn’t warrant being the highest paid chairman in the league.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Sure, but the thing about valuation mate, is that you need to prove that the additional valuation is because of Levy being there, versus just the general explosion in value across the Premier League in that time frame.

Being an ever present in the Premier League has boosted our value. Our run of good performances in the 2010s boosted our value. The stadium boosted our value. But how much of that could be traced back to Levy, versus just the general growth in valuations of all clubs across the league in that time?

I think the point @Finney Is Back and I are making, is that you could take a third of that 6M salary, put it towards any FTSE 500 CEO, and received a comparable performance to what Levy has overseen. His wisdom isn't worth paying him triple what the CEO of Liverpool is paid.

If a rising tide floats all boats....let's look at the value of all clubs similar to ours when Enic took over and then the value today.

 

[DubaiSpur]

Similarly using your logic you'd have to prove the valuation would have increasedas much without him .. it has so is the easier argument to justify, you meantion the stadium and he was the one that delivered it .. as another poster pointed out name another non doped club that has grown as we have ... now that could have happened with someone else granted , but it has happened with him .. so the zero impact is a non starter ... we won't agree clearly have very different opinions and that's fine .. but you have to give him his flowers on all other aspects than winning trophies

Fair enough mate. But take Arsenal as a yardstick (for example). They were worth $1.2B in 2009 as per Forbes. They are worth $2.4B now according to the same organization. Despite being far less competitive now than they were in the 2000's (when they only had United and Chelsea to compete with), and despite the new stadium effect having worn off, they're still worth roughly double what they were 15 years ago.

Most clubs have grown in valuation due to the explosion in TV deals and associated broadcast revenue. We're no exception.

I said the S&P500, which is more comparable to sports businesses imo.

We are based in the UK mate. It makes more sense to compare a British CEO's salary to another British CEO's, rather than to an American one.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Fair enough mate. But take Arsenal as a yardstick (for example). They were worth $1.2B in 2009 as per Forbes. They are worth $2.4B now according to the same organization. Despite being far less competitive now than they were in the 2000's (when they only had United and Chelsea to compete with), and despite the new stadium effect having worn off, they're still worth roughly double what they were 15 years ago.

Most clubs have grown in valuation due to the explosion in TV deals and associated broadcast revenue. We're no exception.



We are based in the UK mate. It makes more sense to compare a British CEO's salary to another British CEO's, rather than to an American one.

It doesn’t make any sense to compare him to anything or anyone who isn’t a co-owner
Maybe Mike Ashley would be comparable
And I have no idea how much he gets paid
Why do we have people obsess over it anyway … who cares what he gets paid. Unless someone makes him an offer he can’t refuse he ain’t going away
The fans won’t drive him a way unless the fans have the £€$

 

[Robspur12]

I think it's time we talked about Levy objectively, because I think things are getting a little out of hand. I have never really liked him, but let's not forget he isn't the major share holder, and he doesn't control what's happening on the pitch. Many would say he hasn't in invested in players, but here are some five year figures

Premier League Clubs Net Spent Over Last Five Years
Rank	Club	Transfer Expenditure	Transfer Income	Net Spend
1	Leicester City	£257.58m	£237.22m	-£20.36m
2	Everton	£244.09m	£215.48m	-£28.61m
3	Wolverhampton Wanderers	£433.41m	£397.63m	-£35.78m
4	Brighton & Hove Albion	£455.64m	£402.88m	-£52.76m
5	Southampton	£336.04m	£271.35m	-£64.69m
6	Brentford	£229.09m	£127.94m	-£101.15m
7	Bournemouth	£287.17m	£158.95m	-£128.22m
8	Ipswich Town	£159.05m	£26.78m	-£132.27m
9	Emirates Marketing Project	£638.15m	£494.08m	-£144.07m
10	Fulham	£253.66m	£107.36m	-£146.30m
11	Crystal Palace	£265.71m	£106.65m	-£159.06m
12	Nottingham Forest	£385.63m	£162.85m	-£222.78m
13	Aston Villa	£546.00m	£320.40m	-£225.60m
14	Liverpool	£461.65m	£203.52m	-£258.13m
15	West Ham United	£545.47m	£242.12m	-£303.35m
16	Saudi Sportswashing Machine	£486.12m	£114.66m	-£371.46m
17	Arsenal	£669.35m	£192.18m	-£477.17m
18	Tottenham Hotspur	£725.52m	£246.56m	-£478.96m
19	Manchester United	£814.10m	£200.60m	-£613.50m
20	Chelsea	£1.41bn	£641.11m	-£768.89m

So as you can see our net spend is the third highest in the premiership. I accept we may not have spent wisely, but that isn't his job. Levy has attempted to employ the best people for this, but repeatedly they don't perform. He has employed some of the best managers in the world before he took on our present fool, and he built us the best stadium and training ground in Europe.

Today the South stand were doing a really good job of singing Levy out, but was it him who failed to motivate the players, was it him who failed to organise the defence, was it him who took our only striker off when we were 2-0 down, is it him to blame for all the injuries that have occurred due to the way we play, and is it him who refuses to change anything despite we had only achieved 5 points in 10 games (now 5 pts in 11). Let's be honest, if Ange had turned out to be a decent manager nobody would be shouting for Levy's head. Why people weren't shouting for Ange's head today is a total mystery to me.

So if Levy/Enic left tomorrow what would change? Well I suppose if we attracted a billionaire who wanted to buy the club as a hobby, then I suppose we could start to look up, but that's unlikely to happen. The chances are we would be bought out by another investment company and nothing would change. The fact is the only person who can sack Levy is Walker, and that isn't going to happen, and frankly I don't think anything would change if he did. What we really need is a top director of football, better scouts, but most importantly a decent manager.

Levy has to take responsibility for some very bad managerial appointments and not getting the recruitment and succession planning right over several seasons. The latest calamitous decision on the sporting side is keeping Ange in position for as long as he has and endangering our premier league status.

 

[Baleforce]

Do you not think performances on the pitch should also be taken into account? When you’re the highest paid chairman in the league but you won’t pay the players top dollar then it’s not a good look. 1 trophy in 16 years just doesn’t warrant being the highest paid chairman in the league.

Performance on the pitch has largely been good, outperformed only by those with greater resource or those that do financial dope.

There is only one trophy worth winning now, and not many of our peers have managed it, only the super clubs and the cheats.

 

[lurker of old]

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the Chairman, he knows that we are in deep doodoo, and i'd be very surprised if he didn't find the cash to buy a reasonably decent forward, during this window. The opprobrium - and ridicule- he would get if we are relegated has to be too high for him to allow.