Daniel Levy - Chairman

[DubaiSpur]

It’s a no brainer for the club
Surely even you with anti levy cap on can see that
Offer him £10m a season more
It reminds me of Gerard and Rooney when it happened with them

I don't trust Levy and Lewis to run a corner store at this point, so what may be a no brainer for you may be a revelation for them. *Especially* if it costs them a few quid.

We will see how this turns out, mate. Hopefully for the best, but nothing is certain.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Instant payoff is only meant in the sense that he's already sat through on the field regression for 3 years now - is he going to be prepared to pin his hopes on us if we're looking at beyond next season before the rewards come in (potentially rewards at that)? I don't think so

I don’t think it needs to be a multi season thing. More just - are we going to invest to compete for the biggest prizes or not? If yes, I think he’d stay. If very likely it’s no, then I think he’ll want to go. I don’t think it takes years. I think you can tell Chelsea want to compete. You can see Atletico are doing absolutely everything they can. You can see United could make a big move like Pogba. What are Spurs going to do?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I'd be wary of structuring a mega deal for a player with a history of ankle problems.

A history of impact injuries
Like most players
They get smacked... they get injured
Still he has cost us no fee
And is the best striker in the world
Bargain

 

[Finney Is Back]

I can guarantee we would pay Kane more
The default would be Harry if someone wants you it’s £150m
He then goes but I’m not paid like a £150m player
Club then goes here is a new contract .... £300k a week plus bonuses

Thats not £150m player money.

 

[Mikey10]

If Levy can sit Kane down and lay out a really good vision for the club now we have the stadium, and show a reasonable and realistic path to competing, not spending City money but saying don't worry, the stadium is a game changer and we are going to sign the players to make a push for trophies. If Levy can do that, I think there's a chance Kane stays and is happy about it. I don't think this is about 1 or 2 trophies. It's about feeling like the club is making progress.

My question is...does Levy have that pitch? That you are talking about the 1 or 2 trophies in a decade as if that is the level we just need to accept suggests that you don't think it's realistic.

Too late for all that imo. This is all part of a concerted media assault tonight. The plan is made and it’s being enacted. He’s looked less than happy for weeks now.

He’s off, I’m afraid. Only thing that stops it is the lack of a serious bid.

 

[Finney Is Back]

I don’t think it needs to be a multi season thing. More just - are we going to invest to compete for the biggest prizes or not? If yes, I think he’d stay. If very likely it’s no, then I think he’ll want to go. I don’t think it takes years. I think you can tell Chelsea want to compete. You can see Atletico are doing absolutely everything they can. You can see United could make a big move like Pogba. What are Spurs going to do?

It’s only right that he wants to go. He is the best CF in the PL by a long way and has given all of his career so far to a club who do not prioritize winning trophies. We should say thanks very much to him for the service has given us and his goals that have allowed the club to overachieve for a while and avoid the stadium bankrupting us.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Too late for all that imo. This is all part of a concerted media assault tonight. The plan is made and it’s being enacted. He’s looked less than happy for weeks now.

He’s off, I’m afraid. Only thing that stops it is the lack of a serious bid.

Indeed.... and then we may end up in a Berbatov situation.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Thats not £150m player money.

It’s a big increase on what he earns and with bonuses it would be £400k a week
That would put him in the top earners bracket in the league

 

[Mikey10]

Wouldn’t be surprised to see Son looking to jump next. He’s looked pretty miserable for weeks.

Daniel could be left with a shiny new stadium and not much else.

 

[Lilbaz]

Err.....are we talking about the same club - Atletico Madrid?

Enrique Cerezo is fine, and their debts are smaller than ours while their revenue is comparable - where is this bankruptcy going to come from?

https://www.rt.com/sport/508224-atletico-madrid-debt-billion/

 

[Finney Is Back]

https://www.rt.com/sport/508224-atletico-madrid-debt-billion/

Still lower than ours though right?

 

[DubaiSpur]

https://www.rt.com/sport/508224-atletico-madrid-debt-billion/

A) that is lower than ours. Don't think it supports your point, mate.

B) You were referring to Jesus Gil, their former chairman, who went to jail in 2000 and burdened the club with his debts, which the club are still paying off.

If anything, that makes the job their *current* president, Enrique Cerezo, has done, even more impressive. He took over the role in 2002 - turned them into a powerhouse in the same time Levy's done his utterly mediocre job here.

 

[Lilbaz]

Still lower than ours though right?

Tbh i don't really know. Journalists will pick and choose the way they relay information to suit their narrative. Not sure if it's gross debt, net debt, does it include season tickets as a liability (was used against real, fans paid for season tickets, but dince the games hadn't been played is classed as a liability. Because the club owed the fans games).

I was just being a bit mischievous. Atleti have done great, but not everything is rosey. Levy wouldn't put the club or himself in the position gil did with atleti. Tbf i don't blame him.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

It’s only right that he wants to go. He is the best CF in the PL by a long way and has given all of his career so far to a club who do not prioritize winning trophies. We should say thanks very much to him for the service has given us and his goals that have allowed the club to overachieve for a while and avoid the stadium bankrupting us.

I agree.

None of this news surprises me. The manager search. Kane. The less than ideal noises coming from the club. The sacking of Poch. The sacking of Jose. The lack of progress over the last two years.

This looks, very obviously, like we are regressing to the mean that we can realistically expect under ENIC. And that our great moments of the last few years were down to the heroic achievements of Pochettino and a generational talent like Kane. Both people who loved the club, and valued building something great, and who we frankly used to help us overachieve for as long as possible before they decided they'd had enough.

It's a damn shame, and I just do not understand how people are sanguine about it. It's one thing to make the argument that this is all we can realistically expect under these owners, but purely as fans and the visceral reaction most of you must have given we were so close and had people that would have committed to taking us all the way, does this not just sting a bit?

 

[90291Spur]

I agree.

None of this news surprises me. The manager search. Kane. The less than ideal noises coming from the club. The sacking of Poch. The sacking of Jose. The lack of progress over the last two years.

This looks, very obviously, like we are regressing to the mean that we can realistically expect under ENIC. And that our great moments of the last few years were down to the heroic achievements of Pochettino and a generational talent like Kane. Both people who loved the club, and valued building something great, and who we frankly used to help us overachieve for as long as possible before they decided they'd had enough.

It's a damn shame, and I just do not understand how people are sanguine about it. It's one thing to make the argument that this is all we can realistically expect under these owners, but purely as fans and the visceral reaction most of you must have given we were so close and had people that would have committed to taking us all the way, does this not just sting a bit?

It does sting. But we are used to the stings and arrows of outrageous fortune. In the kase of Kane, I can’t be mad at him. And I’m resigned to us having owners who appear to be property developers before people who will spend on the football side of things. Levy got us to the point where we are ‘big 6’ in terms of branding. And all with fairly few trophies.

 

[Lilbaz]

A) that is lower than ours. Don't think it supports your point, mate.

B) You were referring to Jesus Gil, their former chairman, who went to jail in 2000 and burdened the club with his debts, which the club are still paying off.

If anything, that makes the job their *current* president, Enrique Cerezo, has done, even more impressive. He took over the role in 2002 - turned them into a powerhouse in the same time Levy's done his utterly mediocre job here.

Fair enough. As i said was being a bit mischievious, but also serious in a way. Our debt in normal time is easily manageable. It's at low interest and to be paid over a long period. The government loan has to be paid back by next march. But since it's printed money we might get more leeway.

From swiss ramble.





How much interest we have to pay each year.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

It does sting. But we are used to the stings and arrows of outrageous fortune. In the kase of Kane, I can’t be mad at him. And I’m resigned to us having owners who appear to be property developers before people who will spend on the football side of things. Levy got us to the point where we are ‘big 6’ in terms of branding. And all with fairly few trophies.

I don't blame Kane one bit. He fully deserves a great move and gave us more than he ever needed to. For a while, our ambition matched his talent. Then clearly over the last couple of years those two things diverged.

I also wouldn't be surprised if part of it is the sacking of Jose. Not because he loved Jose so much, although he was clearly a fan, but because it meant we indulged a section of the squad that clearly finds it difficult to deal with criticism and not put in the hard yards when required. We saw it in the Amazon documentary, where Kane calls out the unacceptable laziness and lack of mentality from some of the players. He is elite and not enough around him are. Unfortunately we are committed to squeezing every last drop out of these players because our DOF is Levy, and that means never backing a manager and allowing him to see the job through. It means trying to get a new manager bounce so that we don't fall below 6th, and then we start the whole cycle again.

So boring. Not surprised Kane it mentally gone.

 

[Lilbaz]

Levy looks at football in a logical way. He knows it's not sustainable for clubs to spend the way they do and sooner or later the other owners will run out of steam and want to claw some money back. Then spurs being in better financial position can capitalise that. City and chelsea being obvious exceptions with their owners (with almost infinite cash) ploughing money in. Liverpool and arsenal seem to be hitting a wall now though. With much reduced spending. Leicester and everton have gambled big time, leicesters may pay off (forget the fa cup). Everton hasn't.
Problem is there seems to be a conveyor of new owners who want to lose money. Like villa.

Even utd might be in trouble. Sponsorships have taken a massive hit (main kit deal and training kit).

But for fans it isn't great. We want to win. We want glory. We're the 6th richest club in england so you'd expect us to be 6th in the league. But it's considered shambolic for some. Getting to a final isn't enough we want to win.

So this could go on forever. Unless something changes. Either we get new owners who don't care about the money and risk it for glory. Or the regulations change. Salary cap or luxury tax on salaries. Or a mixture of the 2.

Can totally understand why the american owners wanted the esl. They must find the way football is in the uk as horrifying. 1 point can be the difference between cl and el (up to £100m). El to mid table (£25m) staying in the league and relegation. Clubs chasing a dream or fighting a nightmare. American sports don't have these stakes. They lose all their games one season. Still make a profit and get first choice in the draft next season. No biggy at all.

 

[fernadez]

I don't blame Kane one bit. He fully deserves a great move and gave us more than he ever needed to. For a while, our ambition matched his talent. Then clearly over the last couple of years those two things diverged.

I also wouldn't be surprised if part of it is the sacking of Jose. Not because he loved Jose so much, although he was clearly a fan, but because it meant we indulged a section of the squad that clearly finds it difficult to deal with criticism and not put in the hard yards when required. We saw it in the Amazon documentary, where Kane calls out the unacceptable laziness and lack of meteorology from some of the players. He is elite and not enough around him are. Unfortunately we are committed to squeezing every last drop out of these players because our DOF is Levy, and that means never backing a manager and allowing him to see the job through. It means trying to get a new manager bounce so that we don't fall below 6th, and then we start the whole cycle again.

So boring. Not surprised Kane it mentally gone.

See, for all the people that want to say that Kane was playing well dispute Jose, there is an argument that he recognised a winner, who knew what winning took and understood what the manager what trying to instill.

If the rumours about The dressing room were true, then in part we've bowed down to the same wasters who have been coasting for years, how is that progressing as a club, why is it only our players who seem to only respond to the arm round the shoulder school of management. Winning is hard.

Sacking him before the final still makes no sense without a replacement.

 

[Bishop]

See, for all the people that want to say that Kane was playing well dispute Jose, there is an argument that he recognised a winner, who knew what winning took and understood what the manager what trying to instill.

If the rumours about The dressing room were true, then in part we've bowed down to the same wasters who have been coasting for years, how is that progressing as a club, why is it only our players who seem to only respond to the arm round the shoulder school of management. Winning is hard.

Sacking him before the final still makes no sense without a replacement.

If you install Mourinho you HAVE to buy the players he needs otherwise it doesn't work. He isn't a development coach and never had been. He wants MEN who know who they are and what they do.

We had neither the squad for him or a willingness to buy the players he needed. That first January when he pleaded for a striker sand was given Bergwijn instead said it all.

J Jose was always the wrong appointment but we didn't even try to make it work.