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Coronavirus

I think people have an over the top fear of death.

We are all going to die anyway, some of you need tk get over it. Im early 50s but i would accept death tomorrow if it meant a normal life for my son returned quicker.

Not saying anyone on here but i actually feel people are being a bit selfish at the moment.
 
Grays_1890 said:
We were in a strict lockdown for two months maybe more

No none essential leaving house was strict and worked to kill the curve, the proof is in the facts there. 95% of all air travel cancelled by default and capacity in single figures on those landing means the "airport open" is grossly over played.

I don't agree with idea of strict lockdown but you can't argue that by doing so we didn't kill off the worse of spread.
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The UK was never in a strict lockdown.
 
Legohamster said:
But where did it come from, just a random 4 cases out of nowhere?

I wouldn’t be shocked if they did testing lots more will Have it.
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Your last point is the point in my opinion. People probably have had it and not reported and have had for months. I agree there have been more cases than reported here and no doubt globally.

Until it hits someone who shows huge symptoms it could spread for weeks I imagine or go all over the place.

If you have limited numbers you could see a 20+ day undetected spread which could then go further.

I think the key is a delay in symptoms
 
Grays_1890 said:
We were in a strict lockdown for two months maybe more

No none essential leaving house was strict and worked to kill the curve, the proof is in the facts there. 95% of all air travel cancelled by default and capacity in single figures on those landing means the "airport open" is grossly over played.

I don't agree with idea of strict lockdown but you can't argue that by doing so we didn't kill off the worse of spread.
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world wide deaths reported is about 760k so far U.K. job loses so far 730k

that’s not including self employed

When looked back on a full lock down will be seen as the wrong way to do this.

It wasn’t worth the fall out

that’s not just our gov


Your last point is the point in my opinion. People probably have had it and not reported and have had for months. I agree there have been more cases than reported here and no doubt globally.

Until it hits someone who shows huge symptoms it could spread for weeks I imagine or go all over the place.

If you have limited numbers you could see a 20+ day undetected spread which could then go further.

If this is the case, it backs up the point the virus is not worth the action taken
 
Mikey10 said:
The UK was never in a strict lockdown.
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Depends what you class as strict.

I couldn't go to work or travel and could only leave the house twice a day

Couldn't meet anyone outside my household

Closure of literally every non essential shop or outlet

That's pretty strict in my book

Ok there were no army patrols but it was hardly freedom, let's not confuse now with back in April. I say the word strict you might use a different word but that's splitting hair on the wording.

Fact is the question was asked how the numbers reduced, the lockdown contributed to it hugely if you want to call it strict or not, that can't be denied
 
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Legohamster said:
world wide deaths reported is about 760k so far U.K. job loses so far 730k

that’s not including self employed

When looked back on a full lock down will be seen as the wrong way to do this.

It wasn’t worth the fall out

that’s not just our gov


Your last point is the point in my opinion. People probably have had it and not reported and have had for months. I agree there have been more cases than reported here and no doubt globally.

Until it hits someone who shows huge symptoms it could spread for weeks I imagine or go all over the place.

If you have limited numbers you could see a 20+ day undetected spread which could then go further.

If this is the case, it backs up the point the virus is not worth the action taken
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I was never a fan of total lockdown and it's being reported nearly daily how Sweden did right. Not going to debate it all day like months ago but that's just my view
 
Mikey10 said:
The UK was never in a strict lockdown.
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There's a difference between not as strict as some place like France where I think you needed a naughty paper slip if you were out and the UK which I would still define as strict - everything apart from essential shops was closed for 2 months for the majority of people. What would you consider strict out of interest?

@awesome dawson - Lots of people flew back and no quarantine is a huge failure but people weren't flying freely at all. Look at this (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...n-one-day-as-air-traffic-plummets-coronavirus) - Gatwick had 21 passengers leaving on one of the days.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Well it was, March 23rd official lockdown. Was announced and as I say the reality is the lockdown assisted towards the numbers you see today.

I was stopped a dozen times going to Co-op or Waitrose in Croydon during lockdown, the essential leaving home only and 30 mins exercise was strict, London. Still is like a ghost town or was last week when I went to office.

The facts and stats are there, what are you suggesting ? The virus has a bias and a brain?
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I agreed with you more generally, though one issue I'd take is that I'm not sure you could really call our lockdown 'strict'. Certainly not compared to the likes of France, Spain, Italy etc. where restrictions were enforced/policed much more strictly (or so is the impression I've taken from the media) - though perhaps there was some local variation, based on what you say (I personally wasn't stopped once, and witnessed neighbours constantly flouting the restrictions with impunity).

This led me to wonder if it was the reason our curve took longer to decline? With a stricter approach, would we have seen a steeper drop off in cases, as some other nations appear to have done?
 
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Parklaner81 said:
I agreed with you more generally, though one issue I'd take is that I'm not sure you could really call our lockdown 'strict'. Certainly not compared to the likes of France, Spain, Italy etc. where restrictions were enforced/policed much more strictly (or so is the impression I've taken from the media) - though perhaps there was some local variation based on what you say (I personally wasn't stopped once, and witnessed neighbours flouting the restrictions with impunity).

This led me to wonder if it was the reason our curve took longer to decline. With a stricter approach, would we have seen a steeper drop off in cases?
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Like PD said and I said that's just wording but based on the original question of why we saw a decline it was n doubt the lockdown and continues to be so due to actions like Leics etc.

People flouting rules is them being utter bellends not the rules themself.

Croydon as a town is heavily policed and I was stopped In same place near station so imagine it was almost and invisible checkpoint
 
Grays_1890 said:
Like PD said and I said that's just wording but based on the original question of why we saw a decline it was n doubt the lockdown and continues to be so due to actions like Leics etc.

People flouting rules is them being utter bellends not the rules themself.

Croydon as a town is heavily policed and I was stopped In same place near station so imagine it was almost and invisible checkpoint
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Yeah generally agree. The lockdown flattened the curve, I just wonder if it could have been squashed further/quicker with a stronger attitude. Johnson is a terrible frontman in this sense.

Regarding people flouting the rules again I agree, it's on them. The question is, would this have occurred to the same degree if people had expected to face consequences? I strongly suspect not. It comes down to one of the basic laws of human nature - if people think they can get away with taking the tinkle, they will take the tinkle...
 
Parklaner81 said:
Yeah generally agree. The lockdown flattened the curve, I just wonder if it could have been squashed further/quicker with a stronger attitude. Johnson is a terrible frontman in this sense.

Regarding people flouting the rules again I agree, it's on them. The question is, would this have occurred to the same degree if people had expected to face consequences? I strongly suspect not. It comes down to one of the basic laws of human nature - if people think they can get away with taking the tinkle, they will take the tinkle...
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Of course quicker lockdown would have had quicker results
 
Parklaner81 said:
I was more referring to the level of 'strictness', rather than the start date. Police it better and make it stricter, it ends quicker was my general point. But I think we're pretty much on the same page.
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As I've mentioned before my mates in the Met and he said it was impossible to police other than as and when reason being too many people and the the fact rule breakers don't follow a pattern. Your neighbour may break rules but the other may not so that means nearly 1_1 policing and the way the UK is spread also does not help.

On the continent they tent to live in concentrations and highrise appartments not houses so easier to police as you can cover one area easier
 
P.D. said:
There's a difference between not as strict as some place like France where I think you needed a naughty paper slip if you were out and the UK which I would still define as strict - everything apart from essential shops was closed for 2 months for the majority of people. What would you consider strict out of interest?

@awesome dawson - Lots of people flew back and no quarantine is a huge failure but people weren't flying freely at all. Look at this (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...n-one-day-as-air-traffic-plummets-coronavirus) - Gatwick had 21 passengers leaving on one of the days.
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Grays_1890 said:
As I've mentioned before my mates in the Met and he said it was impossible to police other than as and when reason being too many people and the the fact rule breakers don't follow a pattern. Your neighbour may break rules but the other may not so that means nearly 1_1 policing and the way the UK is spread also does not help.

On the continent they tent to live in concentrations and highrise appartments not houses so easier to police as you can cover one area easier
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I don’t think for a second our lockdown was strict in the way it was on the continent. People in my (rural) area observed distancing but they moved about frequently, including daily trips to the village shop and frequent trips to town to the supermarket. In mid-April a neighbour and his wife went to London for the day as they ‘fancied a change of scene’, making a 200 mile round trip in the process.

We had people continuing to travel to work and the borders open.

I’m in agreement that it made a big difference to figures but it was never serious in comparison to other comparable countries.
 
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Mikey10 said:
I don’t think for a second our lockdown was strict in the way it was on the continent. People in my (rural) area observed distancing but they moved about frequently, including daily trips to the village shop and frequent trips to town to the supermarket. In mid-April a neighbour and his wife went to London for the day as they ‘fancied a change of scene’, making a 200 mile round trip in the process.

We had people continuing to travel to work and the borders open.

I’m in agreement that it made a big difference to figures but it was never serious in comparison to other comparable countries.
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Borders open to a point where you would arrive or return and have to adhere to the lockdown which was in itself home exclusion If you wanted to follow the rules

Your example of people being frankly a bunch of Cun7s isn't about the rules but them as people. The rules to stay home bar essential shop and half hour exercise and no interaction is strict. People not following is on them

Anyway regardless of the English you wish to use the measures worked hence the stats which goes back to the original question to why we had a down turn compared to the criminals in Aus
 
Who's in for a forum whipround to buy a few vials of the Russian vaccine then? Like anyone really believes Putin tested it out on his daughter.
 
P.D. said:
Who's in for a forum whipround to buy a few vials of the Russian vaccine then? Like anyone really believes Putin tested it out on his daughter.
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Nice of Russia to run a Phase 3 trial on their entire population for the benefit of the rest of the world though.
 
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