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I’d like to know why cases are always the metric/yardstick used for determining how good/bad things are in relation to the pandemic. Or do the media just use whatever number sounds scarier? I’m not anti-media or a conspiracy theorist, but I noticed the BBC started referring to case numbers at the top of the bulletin once the death total started to level out ie when it wasn’t a shocking daily number like 1000 every day. And to me it seems like very few regular people are calling for a lockdown, saw a guardian journalist tweeted a YouGov poll which had 25% of people saying they thought a lockdown was necessary for non-essential shops, pubs etc, 65% were against and 10% didn’t know. Obviously they didn’t survey all 65 million uk residents, but if that poll is any indication of things then the vast majority are against lockdowns. It seems the media are the ones driving the lockdown bandwagon. The death total today was 44. Only one day but how in any way shape or form is a lockdown required to curb such a low number?
 
Mikey10 said:
I wonder if that’s down to testing capacity being exceeded and/or many not reporting cases? It’s certainly rife amongst people I know - so many have tested positive in this last fortnight.
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Loads of people I know have now got it. Last couple of times was only hearing of the odd person.

My boy has finally got over it and escaped his bedroom exile. He tested negative after 8 days. He still has a lingering cough and loss of taste tho . Hopefully that clears up quickly.
 
Jurgen the German said:
I’d like to know why cases are always the metric/yardstick used for determining how good/bad things are in relation to the pandemic. Or do the media just use whatever number sounds scarier? I’m not anti-media or a conspiracy theorist, but I noticed the BBC started referring to case numbers at the top of the bulletin once the death total started to level out ie when it wasn’t a shocking daily number like 1000 every day. And to me it seems like very few regular people are calling for a lockdown, saw a guardian journalist tweeted a YouGov poll which had 25% of people saying they thought a lockdown was necessary for non-essential shops, pubs etc, 65% were against and 10% didn’t know. Obviously they didn’t survey all 65 million uk residents, but if that poll is any indication of things then the vast majority are against lockdowns. It seems the media are the ones driving the lockdown bandwagon. The death total today was 44. Only one day but how in any way shape or form is a lockdown required to curb such a low number?
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I've noticed they also pick either the day-by-day comparison of cases, or the rolling 7 day one, for their headline depending which sounds scarier (or less positive when they are going down). Every single time the BBC and Guardian always the 'worst news' one.
 
Sky News reporting that a "statement" from Boris is expected shortly.
So not a press conference or (it seems) an address with a set time-slot. Maybe it will just be carry on but limit social interactions wherever possible (so guidance only). If he announces more restrictions without recalling parliament he is going to face a significant revolt, again, from the backbenches, and maybe even some cabinet members.
 
And there it is :

No new measures but situation under constant review - PM

Boris Johnson has just been speaking after this afternoon's cabinet meeting.

He says ministers agree the current situation is "extremely difficult".

"The arguments either way are finely balanced," he says noting that cases of Omicron are "surging and hospitalisations are rising quite steeply in London".

He says that the government will keep data under "constant review" and that "we will have to reserve the possibility of taking further action to protect the public and our NHS".

"We won't hesitate to take action," he says. urging the public to exercise caution and get vaccinated.

"It could not be more urgent," he adds.

Asked what kind of measures the government will take he replies: "We're looking at all kinds of things... we will rule nothing out."
 
djp82 said:
Loads of people I know have now got it. Last couple of times was only hearing of the odd person.

My boy has finally got over it and escaped his bedroom exile. He tested negative after 8 days. He still has a lingering cough and loss of taste tho . Hopefully that clears up quickly.
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I'm the opposite - everyone seemed to have it either last autumn or in July/August, but no one recently.

Out of interest, are the people you've heard about more recent emergees? Those without much natural exposure from previous waves e.g. white collar homeworkers?
 
Boris Johnson has just been speaking after this afternoon's cabinet meeting.

He says ministers agree the current situation is "extremely difficult".

"The arguments either way are finely balanced," he says noting that cases of Omicron are "surging and hospitalisations are rising quite steeply in London".

He says that the government will keep data under "constant review" and that "we will have to reserve the possibility of taking further action to protect the public and our NHS".

"We won't hesitate to take action," he says, urging the public to exercise caution and get vaccinated.

"It could not be more urgent," he adds.

Asked what kind of measures the government will take he replies: "We're looking at all kinds of things... we will rule nothing out."



We've just been hearing from the prime minister, who has given an interview in Downing Street after the cabinet meeting, which lasted for several hours.

Boris Johnson says the British public are changing the way they go about their lives amid rising Omicron cases.

He acknowledges that has consequences for some parts of the economy including hospitality.

"I regret that," he says adding that there are financial packages for those businesses which are "suffering".
 
SpurMeUp said:
That is good news at least. But I suspect the granular detail is more important. For example, the hospitalisation numbers in London, where Omicron is probably endemic.
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Oh i expect hospitalisations to go up. Even if many of the cases are just incidental and are there for other resaons. It's unavoidable.
 
djp82 said:
Loads of people I know have now got it. Last couple of times was only hearing of the odd person.

My boy has finally got over it and escaped his bedroom exile. He tested negative after 8 days. He still has a lingering cough and loss of taste tho . Hopefully that clears up quickly.
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Yea I hope he continues to recover. My missus has been poorly for two weeks, very lethargic.

On the wider issue of cases, I’ve got to say I have also heard of a lot of positive results lately but all of them will have been reported and counted in the stats. 90,000 cases day after day is not going to go unnoticed. So as far as I am concerned the numbers should be trusted.
 
Gutter Boy said:
I'm the opposite - everyone seemed to have it either last autumn or in July/August, but no one recently.

Out of interest, are the people you've heard about more recent emergees? Those without much natural exposure from previous waves e.g. white collar homeworkers?
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Not really,it’s bit of a mixture. Football lads on Saturdays sharing cars changing rooms etc. few of my family from a wedding. My boy was 100% from school. So seems to be all settings.
 
johnola said:
Yea I hope he continues to recover. My missus has been poorly for two weeks, very lethargic.

On the wider issue of cases, I’ve got to say I have also heard of a lot of positive results lately but all of them will have been reported and counted in the stats. 90,000 cases day after day is not going to go unnoticed. So as far as I am concerned the numbers should be trusted.
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Thanks , hope your partner gets well soon.

Hopefully the numbers are correct . I think people will be hesitant to report as not to isolate over Xmas. Who knows tho. Cases should not be used as a metric anymore in my opinion. Hospitalisations should be the measure.
 
I just don't see why two years in with 50% of the country triple vaxxed and access to LFT testing we need to restrict living and further kill industry. People who are triple vaxxed are being Mis sold and should be allowed to do what they like in my opinion and if you test daily for work like i and many do and am also triple vaxxed it just seems nutsv
 
markysimmo said:
My Mrs tested positive on Saturday
We've said to our parents if she tests negative on Friday/Saturday morning and they are happy we're still going to do Xmas/Boxing day, if not we will move it to Jan 1st
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Not as fussed about Christmas but it's m daughters birthday on 2 Jan so if I get it and have to isolate could be cutting it fine, she'll only be 2 so missed out last year. Be gutted if both birthdays are gone.

Diamond Lights said:
I mean, we still haven't updated the symptoms list which is different for Omicron than previous strains.

In theory you now need to do LFTs to leave the house for next 7 days, but everyone i know, who has caught Covid last couple of weeks (likely Omicron), when 1 person in the house has it, it's a matter of time before the rest do.
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Yeah probably already got it, might even have given it to her. Pretty hard to isolate in the same house.
 
Jurgen the German said:
I’d like to know why cases are always the metric/yardstick used for determining how good/bad things are in relation to the pandemic. Or do the media just use whatever number sounds scarier? I’m not anti-media or a conspiracy theorist, but I noticed the BBC started referring to case numbers at the top of the bulletin once the death total started to level out ie when it wasn’t a shocking daily number like 1000 every day. And to me it seems like very few regular people are calling for a lockdown, saw a guardian journalist tweeted a YouGov poll which had 25% of people saying they thought a lockdown was necessary for non-essential shops, pubs etc, 65% were against and 10% didn’t know. Obviously they didn’t survey all 65 million uk residents, but if that poll is any indication of things then the vast majority are against lockdowns. It seems the media are the ones driving the lockdown bandwagon. The death total today was 44. Only one day but how in any way shape or form is a lockdown required to curb such a low number?
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Don't take your stats from the media.
The lockdown Is to stop a large number of hospitalisations in a very condensed period.
If you, and anyone else, genuinely wants to understand it - watch the Omicron select committee from yesterday with Chris Whitty. It explains all you need to know.
It'll be on parliament TV. It was on appx 6.30pm I think.
 
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