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Coronavirus
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We did for the sa variant and south american.
We didn't for the indian variant cause we wanted a trade partnership and boris was going on tour. Yay.
We'll see. But as i said i won't get too worried till it starts taking over delta/indian.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
There's not much point. You either close all the borders or none of them. Otherwise it just travels in via the other 195 countries in the world, just like Delta has now colonised the world.
It gives you time.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
To achieve what? Vaccination coverage will never be higher. We could have Delta chickenpox parties to increase natural immunity levels I guess?
But really there's no point - it hits or it doesn't, it's milder or It’s more serious, you can't fight nature (more than we have done having a vaccine)
The thing they are worried about is that it can evade the immune system. So immunity from infection or vaccination would be lessened. So it gives time to prepare, tweak vaccines, treatment. Get over winter where hospitsls are already under strain.
We have more people in hospital now than we did at last winters peak. Even though we have less than a quater of the covid patients we did in january. Due in part to the backlog of other illnesses that were put on the back burner, but also cause at this time of year hospitals are under stress naturally. Only 1 in 4 resperatory illnesses at the moment in the uk is covid.
So time is important. Get through winter first.
It's why europe is in trouble. Not just cause of covid. Their health services are stretched anyway. Germany they have a huge amount of nurses that have quit cause they had enough.
Throwing something else in the mix, or cancelling flights to and from sa? Flights easy choice.
Throwing something else in the mix, or cancelling flights to and from sa? Flights easy choice.
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Could be a super spreader. But yes we should take precautions and glad we are doing so.
If that rate is true. It's going to spread unbelievably fast and maybe even too fast to sustain itself.
johnola
Jermaine Jenas
Sooner we at least attempt to shut it out then forcing restrictions within our borders. We gave delta a free pass literally waving it through for a few weeks whilst Boris was wooing Modi for a trade agreement.
And there are loads of variants that have not caught fire here, it is not inevitable.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
My point was a half-arsed attempt of closing of a handful of countries does no good, as everyone just transits through every other countries. You either have to close the border fully, or don't bother at all. Personally I'm more in the former camp - whatever it takes to maintain all the domestic freedoms we've got back.
johnola
Jermaine Jenas
Yep that is what it is all about.
elyid
Milija Aleksic
I think the lab hypothesis seems the most likely.
*If* the virus came from US activities in a Chinese lab then they would do anything to ensure this could never, ever become public knowledge.
However, if it wasn't from a lab, then pretty sure they would do everything they could to prove it was natural - so the fact they haven't says a lot.
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Looks like most other countries are stopping travel to and from those countries as well. Will it be enough? Probably not, although there are still not that many cases in sa. It's just it's growing fast even with delta that is very transmissable. But it will slow it down. Having 1 person infected coming into the uk is preferable than having hundreds arrive each day. Each spreading it.
We know that the us were funding gain of function research at the lab (although they didn't call it that). This does seem to be mutating very fast. Even with so much spread.
Delta had an r value of between 6 and 9. If this is faster at transmitting (and by the looks of it by quite abit) it puts it on a level with measels. One of the most highly transmissable viruses we know of. Seems to me that isn't natural.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
But now its created a mass dash for everyone to flee before Sunday's deadline. Here's: a good 50 people coming back from the red zone with no quarantine requirements: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/59425255
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
I appreciate it is taking a few days to get the quarantine hotels up and running again, but hopefully in the meantime the authorities will be using the PLFs to follow up on Day 2 testing etc.
They should be at least trying to keep incoming passengers separate from other flights within the airport confines, even if somewhat redundant once those passengers leave the airport.
What are the rules now on flying? Testing, vaccination etc...?
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
If fully vaccinated, then just a Day 2 LFT.
If not full vaccinated, a negative test before flying, plus Days 2 and 8 tests on return and I think 10 days quarantine unless you pay for an early release test.