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Coronavirus

Legohamster said:
I’m not making excuses for the inept gov, but surely sage should be formulating a plan on how this would work rather than just saying no and being interviewed by newspapers?

Sages answer to everything is lockdown and if that doesn’t work lockdown harder and wear masks
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Sage advise. They don’t formulate plans or policy. It’s not their job to come up with a plan to shield the vulnerable. It’s the government’s, should they wish to pursue that route.

The fact that they (nor the alternative Sage) haven’t suggested it as a viable route - nor, to my knowledge, has any country anywhere in the world desperately searching for an answer attempted to do it - tells me everything I need to know.
 
Mikey10 said:
Sage advise. They don’t formulate plans or policy. It’s not their job to come up with a plan to shield the vulnerable. It’s the government’s, should they wish to pursue that route.

The fact that they (nor the alternative Sage) haven’t suggested it as a viable route - nor, to my knowledge, has any country anywhere in the world desperately searching for an answer attempted to do it - tells me everything I need to know.
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Govs are not going to change approach now, imagine the fall out

lockdowns have been hit and miss at best - Australia and New Zealand are in the back end of nowhere - whilst Peru has the worst record.
 
awesome dawson said:
Care to explain how you see proper shielding happening without a lockdown? i.e a prevalent virus running free.
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for a start

we have wasted billions on track and trace and other items so we had money to do it

you don’t allow care workers to work in more than one care home and stay on site when possible

You test workers daily

you test hospital workers daily

you support those finically that have an at risk family member

You stop sending covid patients back to care homes

It’s not rocket science is it?
 
Legohamster said:
for a start

we have wasted billions on track and trace and other items so we had money to do it

you don’t allow care workers to work in more than one care home and stay on site when possible

You test workers daily

you test hospital workers daily

you support those finically that have an at risk family member

You stop sending covid patients back to care homes

It’s not rocket science is it?
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None of those measures worked in Melbourne so I’d suggest it’s not that simple.
 
Mikey10 said:
The fact that they (nor the alternative Sage) haven’t suggested it as a viable route - nor, to my knowledge, has any country anywhere in the world desperately searching for an answer attempted to do it - tells me everything I need to know.
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But the majority of countries doing a good job are far outweighed by those doing a poor one. Additionally those that have done well done so before the horse had bolted, we are beyond that and we need to make a serious decision.

More and more Drs are saying we cant have a Covid health service and the last lockdown did not help clear the backlogs. One specialist on Sky News earlier said they have told patients that they were going to get treatment once lockdown was lifted and now look like liars and now have to have the same conversation with people on why they cant have life saving treatment.

So it will get to a point that for the UK where they are going to have to strike a balance. You cant just tell people that there is no hope for treatment whilst telling others there is or vice versa. So with our situation we may have to look at a plan C like mentioned yesterday.

Whatever happens the damage somewhere is going to be substantial we have to decide where that damage sits and for how long.
 
Legohamster said:
Seems Australia had a lack of PPE?

Something funding would help with
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Don't know about PPE to be honest, I went for one Covid test and it was incredibly well run, free and quick (less than 24 hours for the text results). Be surprised if they couldn't organise the hygiene standards, gloves, masks etc for aged care workers. My take on it is that once the cat is out the bag it's extremely difficult to reign it in. Privatisation of the aged care system here also didn't help, in the 90's they allowed the sector to be profit run/greedy companies etc. Once the State Gov took over the reigns in around July they seemed to get on top of things. Not sure who runs care homes in the UK but you wouldn't think they're well placed to deal with this Covid situation.
 
awesome dawson said:
Don't know about PPE to be honest, I went for one Covid test and it was incredibly well run, free and quick (less than 24 hours for the text results). Be surprised if they couldn't organise the hygiene standards, gloves, masks etc for aged care workers. My take on it is that once the cat is out the bag it's extremely difficult to reign it in. Privatisation of the aged care system here also didn't help, in the 90's they allowed the sector to be profit run/greedy companies etc. Once the State Gov took over the reigns in around July they seemed to get on top of things. Not sure who runs care homes in the UK but you wouldn't think they're well placed to deal with this Covid situation.
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Mostly private organisations. Even the ones people think are council run are generally private
There also nearly all full so there isn’t the capacity to move people around if an infection is found
And then add in the assumption that it’s not the private enterprises responsibility but the governments and it’s a car crash again
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Mostly private organisations. Even the ones people think are council run are generally private
There also nearly all full so there isn’t the capacity to move people around if an infection is found
And then add in the assumption that it’s not the private enterprises responsibility but the governments and it’s a car crash again
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Plus it's a growing beast with the increasingly ageing population.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Mostly private organisations. Even the ones people think are council run are generally private
There also nearly all full so there isn’t the capacity to move people around if an infection is found
And then add in the assumption that it’s not the private enterprises responsibility but the governments and it’s a car crash again
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we have spent millions on covid hospitals in the form of nightingales.

whilst not ideal, we have spaces to move people if need be.
 
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