Coronavirus

[SpurMeUp]

Exactly, it's never going away we surely have to learn to live with it and just get on with life again

Rather than test and trace (which should have been in place post first lock down) maybe the government should look at antibody tests.

The science is not totally clear, but if you have antibodies you should be able to work, travel, engage in the economy freely. And use the money saved protecting the vulnerable.


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[markysimmo]

Rather than test and trace (which should have been in place post first lock down) maybe the government should look at antibody tests.

The science is not totally clear, but if you have antibodies you should be able to work, travel, engage in the economy freely. And use the money saved protecting the vulnerable.


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Totally agree
If it works out you have had it once and you can't get again then why stop those who have the antibodies from getting on with normal life

 

[Mikey10]

Exactly, it's never going away we surely have to learn to live with it and just get on with life again

The problem is the numbers of very ill people the health service will have to deal with if we ‘just get on with life again.’ In all likelihood it will quickly be overrun.

Totally agree
If it works out you have had it once and you can't get again then why stop those who have the antibodies from getting on with normal life

The emerging evidence is that antibodies fade quite quickly. What that means is as yet unclear - but it does seem that (like other coronaviruses) reinfection is possible.

 

[tommysvr]

It’s only a matter of time before you go into lockdown. Which begs the question, why now? Why even bother? Half rhetorical, but there’s no way you’re reigning this in now. It’s too late.

 

[Diamond Lights]

Totally agree
If it works out you have had it once and you can't get again then why stop those who have the antibodies from getting on with normal life

Donald Trump: I beat covid, i'm immune

Scientists: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54696873

From what i've read, no coronavirus currently in existence provides immunity for life once you get it. Which is why you get a 'cold' throughout your life.

 

[scaramanga]

Donald Trump: I beat covid, i'm immune

Scientists: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54696873

From what i've read, no coronavirus currently in existence provides immunity for life once you get it. Which is why you get a 'cold' throughout your life.

Colds mutate comparatively quickly. SARS variants of the coronavirus (of which COVID-19 is one) mutate really slowly, if at all.

I hate to tell you this but in this instance, Trump is more accurate than you.

 

[scaramanga]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54723962

Well if this is accurate......there are decisions to he made.

The numbers are already retrospective, so time is of the essence

Cool. So even without any acceleration we'll hit herd immunity in around a year - probably quicker than a licensed vaccine can make it out to everyone.

With acceleration then we can probably hit herd immunity by the end of the spring.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

No, I suggesting balanced and fair reporting.
I"m suggesting a clear and simple message backed up with digestible facts.
I"m suggesting that these facts are presented in a consistent manner along.
I"m suggesting that these facts aren't used in isolation, that they are compared to relevant data.

The reporting of this whole situation has been a disgrace, by the government, by scientific bodies, by social media "scientists" and the press.

The conversation started about that particular study. A study that is pretty simplistic to appreciate and understand.

It doesn't need balance or understanding. It is what it is. It is the same study they carry out every month.

If you want to have a general rant about the communication, messaging, conflicting pov and data than that's another discussion,and I most likely agree. This is not that .

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

The problem is the numbers of very ill people the health service will have to deal with if we ‘just get on with life again.’ In all likelihood it will quickly be overrun.

Which is the primary and most acceptable reason for a lockdown. All people deserve a chance with optimal care. Whether you know that person or not.

The emerging evidence is that antibodies fade quite quickly. What that means is as yet unclear - but it does seem that (like other coronaviruses) reinfection is possible.

The antibodies report unfortunately doesn't include the full gambit of how our immune system works. The B and T cells are just as important. Think @SteveAWOL posted some links above that explain it.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Colds mutate comparatively quickly. SARS variants of the coronavirus (of which COVID-19 is one) mutate really slowly, if at all.

I hate to tell you this but in this instance, Trump is more accurate than you.

The interesting thing is all the many asymptomatic people must 'have something' already in the bank to allow them to repel the virus before it can get started.

I assume everyone can 'get' the virus, ie you can't just not be susceptible to it?? And if everyone can 'get' it, it's your immune system that is the differentiator?

So does it follow that talk of antibodies being short lived can be correct, but the immune memory (t cells?) Must be there otherwise we wouldn't have all these asymptomatic cases?

 

[Diamond Lights]

Colds mutate comparatively quickly. SARS variants of the coronavirus (of which COVID-19 is one) mutate really slowly, if at all.

I hate to tell you this but in this instance, Trump is more accurate than you.

Bit of a dangerous 'anti science' view that. Nearly every scientific output believe any COVID immunity to NOT be long lasting. To say "i am immune" is false because coronaviruses will mutate like you say, so you can definitely catch it again, it might take a couple of years and be less deadly due to previous infection, but you're not immune.

 

[scaramanga]

Bit of a dangerous 'anti science' view that. Nearly every scientific output believe any COVID immunity to NOT be long lasting. To say "i am immune" is false because coronaviruses will mutate like you say, so you can definitely catch it again, it might take a couple of years and be less deadly due to previous infection, but you're not immune.

Any quotes on that? It's the precise opposite of everything I've read from any reasonable source.

 

[glasgowspur]

The conversation started about that particular study. A study that is pretty simplistic to appreciate and understand.

It doesn't need balance or understanding. It is what it is. It is the same study they carry out every month.

If you want to have a general rant about the communication, messaging, conflicting pov and data than that's another discussion,and I most likely agree. This is not that .

My original post re the study was that it was presented in a manner that allowed it to be easily misquoted.
From what I have seen (granted not much) it goes straight to a shock headline.
A little context, some background, including where they have got it right and wrong in the past, and a clearer picture of what they think it means and why would have been better than screaming 100,000 a day.

Too many, including scientific bodies like this, are using this as an opportunity to push them to the front of the headlines knowing it will result in funding.

 

[glasgowspur]

The problem is the numbers of very ill people the health service will have to deal with if we ‘just get on with life again.’ In all likelihood it will quickly be overrun.



The emerging evidence is that antibodies fade quite quickly. What that means is as yet unclear - but it does seem that (like other coronaviruses) reinfection is possible.

Your first paragraph is spot on and what we should have been focusing on in the summer.
What exactly was the NHS doing during the summer, what were the government planners doing?
surely few people would have complained if we had set up systems and beds in case of another wave?
Even if there wasn't another wave and we ended up with spare capacity, that capacity could have been used for the backlog of cases missed during first lockdown.

 

[milo]

This is very good

https://twitter.com/x/status/1321609930382585856

 

[Rorschach]

Colds mutate comparatively quickly. SARS variants of the coronavirus (of which COVID-19 is one) mutate really slowly, if at all.

I hate to tell you this but in this instance, Trump is more accurate than you.

Yep, the common cold is a misnomer. There are about 200 or more variants I believe. What most people get is some flavour of the rhinovirus, which is by far the most common. The flu has variants too, so the flu jab is just a prediction of the strain of flu that is most prevalent that year.

They'll have to develop vaccines for all variants of covid if it mutates. Has there been any reporting on different virus strains?

 

[scaramanga]

The interesting thing is all the many asymptomatic people must 'have something' already in the bank to allow them to repel the virus before it can get started.

I assume everyone can 'get' the virus, ie you can't just not be susceptible to it?? And if everyone can 'get' it, it's your immune system that is the differentiator?

So does it follow that talk of antibodies being short lived can be correct, but the immune memory (t cells?) Must be there otherwise we wouldn't have all these asymptomatic cases?

I think they're a long way from showing that previous exposure causes an asymptomatic response, but there's a lot of correlation.

I can't remember where I saw it but a group had started checking people who had been exposed to SARS for antibodies. Never got around to checking up on it.

The answer is, obviously, that we don't know yet. But I've seen a lot of comparisons on mutation rates between COVID-19 and measles. The same measles vaccine works 50+ years after it started working.

 

[Grays_1890]

It’s only a matter of time before you go into lockdown. Which begs the question, why now? Why even bother? Half rhetorical, but there’s no way you’re reigning this in now. It’s too late.

This is what my mate and I were saying last night. Our route is never going to be a NZ, we are too far gone and we are never going to be a Sweden, thats gone. So we need to take a serious look now and decide the course of action.

 

[Grays_1890]

Bit of a dangerous 'anti science' view that. Nearly every scientific output believe any COVID immunity to NOT be long lasting. To say "i am immune" is false because coronaviruses will mutate like you say, so you can definitely catch it again, it might take a couple of years and be less deadly due to previous infection, but you're not immune.

If thats the case then lockdown and waiting for a Lockdown is going to be silly no?

 

[Glenda's Legs]

Yep, the common cold is a misnomer. There are about 200 or more variants I believe. What most people get is some flavour of the rhinovirus, which is by far the most common. The flu has variants too, so the flu jab is just a prediction of the strain of flu that is most prevalent that year.

They'll have to develop vaccines for all variants of covid if it mutates. Has there been any reporting on different virus strains?

A virologist (I think - so many different fields of science being interviewed every day!) on BBC yesterday was saying that there has been very little mutation so far because it (the virus) has had not need to mutate. Once it starts getting attacked by vaccines, that is when (more significant) mutations would be expected.