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Coronavirus

Great quote by mental health expert and Neurology Expert Dr Waqar Rashid who seems to be fighting the case for a look at all care....

It is not health vs economy. It is health vs health & the economy. Various scientists endlessly put on media & the programmes that keep putting them on are mis-representing the argument & digging us deeper into a hole.

He is spot on, this is not just about an argument about economy its understanding the wider impact of lockdowns on a broader age of people with much more deadly conditions and mental health.
 
Apparently if you have a positive test but are fine but say slip in bathroom and get admitted to hospital they mark that as Covid admissions.

According to someone on LBC so may need confirming.

Also said if you die of heart attack within 28 days of a positive test then you are registered covid. Surely that's not correct?
 
scaramanga said:
Did anyone ever say it would be easy?
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I would argue that it was put forward as simplest and you could use the word easiest.

Letting it rip through society would have killed too many people in a short time and it could never be acceptable as an approach in a society where expensive medicines are used to give people an extra 3-6 months of life.

An approach of shielding the vulnerable fully would have needed PPE and excellent test track and trace which was not available initially and we do not have it now in this country.

The reality is that this government is incapable of delivering any effective strategy to overcome this. They are completely fuking it up. The economy is going down the pan and vulnerable folk are still ending up in ICU.

The only positive is the excellent treatments developed by scientists and delivered by the NHS.
 
LutonSpurs said:
I would argue that it was put forward as simplest and you could use the word easiest.

Letting it rip through society would have killed too many people in a short time and it could never be acceptable as an approach in a society where expensive medicines are used to give people an extra 3-6 months of life.

An approach of shielding the vulnerable fully would have needed PPE and excellent test track and trace which was not available initially and we do not have it now in this country.

The reality is that this government is incapable of delivering any effective strategy to overcome this. They are completely fuking it up. The economy is going down the pan and vulnerable folk are still ending up in ICU.

The only positive is the excellent treatments developed by scientists and delivered by the NHS.
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With a million deaths globally I would say too many establishments have been trying to hit a moving target and not doing a very good job of it.
 
LutonSpurs said:
I would argue that it was put forward as simplest and you could use the word easiest.

Letting it rip through society would have killed too many people in a short time and it could never be acceptable as an approach in a society where expensive medicines are used to give people an extra 3-6 months of life.

An approach of shielding the vulnerable fully would have needed PPE and excellent test track and trace which was not available initially and we do not have it now in this country.

The reality is that this government is incapable of delivering any effective strategy to overcome this. They are completely fuking it up. The economy is going down the pan and vulnerable folk are still ending up in ICU.

The only positive is the excellent treatments developed by scientists and delivered by the NHS.
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Still by far the best of all the bad options available, IMO.
 
The travel corridors are a weird setup, with some countries with still higher infection rate than others opened back up for travel BUT even stranger is the other way round and how any country is looking at us and allowing Brits to travel to their shores??

And when it would be reported that 'flights back from Greece full of Covid positive cases' it was unlikely that we imported it from the Greek island, more likely we were exporting it there in the first place as we flocked on or 'essential' holidays
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
The travel corridors are a weird setup, with some countries with still higher infection rate than others opened back up for travel BUT even stranger is the other way round and how any country is looking at us and allowing Brits to travel to their shores??
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I just remember earlier on in the pandemic when that woman was going somewhere, Majorca i think, and it was added to the Govt list for quarentine as she returned, despite the fact where she lived in Hertfordshire had a great rate of COVID than the Spanish city she just returned from.

Not saying i want people out and about potentially with COVID but just shows it's a bit of a shambles.

Oh and Norwich are allowing fans into Carrow Road this weekend to watch a televised away game, but we can't go to watch football still. Work that one out.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1316796663856607235
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
The travel corridors are a weird setup, with some countries with still higher infection rate than others opened back up for travel BUT even stranger is the other way round and how any country is looking at us and allowing Brits to travel to their shores??

And when it would be reported that 'flights back from Greece full of Covid positive cases' it was unlikely that we imported it from the Greek island, more likely we were exporting it there in the first place as we flocked on or 'essential' holidays
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We are a shambles but we are not the only one. 1m deaths globally proves that and some countries are doing some things that are just as strange if not stranger than we are. Spain, Italy and France have been awful although I have a slight level of sympathy for Italy as they had the guy from Wuhan and the WHO and China did them no favours with their denial that human to human transmissions could happen.

France are putting in a new curfew tomorrow, 9pm, Spain 13,000 cases a day.

Spain ramping up their restrictions then moaning at us for putting them on the quarantine list was just weird and whatever Belgium are doing or not doing is obviously not working.

The things is you watch the news when we change the restrictions on travel and the interviews with travel experts both here and overseas is odd, sandwiched with stories of the virus rising they all seem to cry about Englands harshness on quarantine levels that will put people off travelling to their destination.

There are some weird levels of media reporting, places going into tier 2/3 and the media still questioning why people cant go to the football?
 
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