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Coronavirus

markysimmo said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-54535481

Pictures of large crowds gathering in Liverpool two hours before new Covid-19 restrictions came into effect "shame our city", its mayor has said.

Footage on social media showed people dancing and surrounding a police car in Concert Square at 22:00 BST.

Liverpool City Region is the only area in the top tier of the government's new system of coronavirus restrictions.

Mayor Joe Anderson said ignoring facts about the virus was "why we are in Tier 3 measures".
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Look on the bright side, think of all the jobs created building and running prisons under @DTA laws for this lot.
 
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Baleforce said:
I think a 14 day "circuit breaker" done properly (including international travel restrictions), with the right bubble assignments and resources, backed with working test and trace will work

as long as everybody, and it has to be every body, does their bit
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it won’t be 14 days

Its already creeping up to 21-28 days
 
Baleforce said:
I think a 14 day "circuit breaker" done properly (including international travel restrictions), with the right bubble assignments and resources, backed with working test and trace will work

as long as everybody, and it has to be every body, does their bit
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Ah ... working test and trace
The shambles that is!!!
 
nayenezgani said:
Preposterous to your wallet. Stiff upper lip and carry on while people around you die? Doesn't fly any more. You need to adapt, I thought psychopaths were good at that?
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Stiff upper lip and we are all in it together have been exposed for the lies that they are. The ones calling for workers to be sacrificed so that the economy will not be damaged, don't see themselves as being on the firing line. Don't worry, they will be tucked away nice and safe.
 
glasgowspur said:
Not being cheeky but how does that starve the virus?
Is not still out there when you open up again?
If we all hide away the virus won't bugger off.
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Baleforce said:
the virus needs hosts, if you have it you can only pass it on for so long, if we stop infection it dies off
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Thats the basic principle. Circuit breaker will work if the lockdown conditions are harsh.

The harsh conditions would also mean that people would perhaps be a little less of the c unts they are and more socially conscious, because they wouldn't want that hard a lock down again.

It will save lives, gives us a reset and after the harsh lock down allow the economy to open up again.

It would be better for the economy then months of a soft lock down, or even regional tiered lockdowns.
 
scaramanga said:
Philosophically I don't think a capitalist (of any nature) can accept that level of government control. Governments rarely know best and tend to be far less good at doing most things.

Power is a ratchet just like taxation and social spending. You don't get it back once it's given away.
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This is a time of national emergency, I of course wouldn't want that level of control outside circumstances that necessitate them.
 
DTA said:
This is a time of national emergency, I of course wouldn't want that level of control outside circumstances that necessitate them.
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"There's been a terrorist threat. It's a time of national emergency. We require all citizens to switch on their track and trace apps"
 
It seems strange to me to consider a lockdown while masks on transport / in shops and 14 day quarantines for exposure / travel are still voluntary.

If rules are optional then will always be 20-30% who won't partake.
 
elyid said:
It seems strange to me to consider a lockdown while masks on transport / in shops and 14 day quarantines for exposure / travel are still voluntary.

If rules are optional then will always be 20-30% who won't partake.
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They're not voluntary, they are mandatory and you can be fined for not wearing a mask or for not quarantining.
Of course that's only effective with a) the requisite level of resources for enforcement (i.e. resources that can actually take enforcement measures, not toothless covid monitors) and b) the will of the authorities to take an enforcement approach in the first place.
Both seem to be lacking.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
They're not voluntary, they are mandatory and you can be fined for not wearing a mask or for not quarantining.
Of course that's only effective with a) the requisite level of resources for enforcement (i.e. resources that can actually take enforcement measures, not toothless covid monitors) and b) the will of the authorities to take an enforcement approach in the first place.
Both seem to be lacking.
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As you say, it's only mandatory if it's enforced effectively.

As it is, anyone can simply not wear a mask or not quarantine and nobody says anything. Also see lots of groups > 6 after the pubs shut and police stand and watch them.

It's essentially voluntary atm.
 
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funny thing about this (and i know some people want to go back to "normal") but i can't see that ever happening personally.

I don't think one day they'll just take down those plastic see through dividers at counters? Or masks will be taken off and never come out in public again?

It is a new normal. Our children will likely grow up in a world where it's commonplace people wearing masks out and about for example.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
They're not voluntary, they are mandatory and you can be fined for not wearing a mask or for not quarantining.
Of course that's only effective with a) the requisite level of resources for enforcement (i.e. resources that can actually take enforcement measures, not toothless covid monitors) and b) the will of the authorities to take an enforcement approach in the first place.
Both seem to be lacking.
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A vast amount of resources, even more for the likes of DTAs suggestions, yet there's doubt we could manage a safe shielding for the vulnerable?
 
Diamond Lights said:
funny thing about this (and i know some people want to go back to "normal") but i can't see that ever happening personally.

I don't think one day they'll just take down those plastic see through dividers at counters? Or masks will be taken off and never come out in public again?

It is a new normal. Our children will likely grow up in a world where it's commonplace people wearing masks out and about for example.
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What a truly horrible existence.
 
scaramanga said:
"There's been a terrorist threat. It's a time of national emergency. We require all citizens to switch on their track and trace apps"
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You'll be alright, there's no way our track and trace app will work. Dido won't be able to remember which folder she put the spreadsheet in.
 
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