SteveAWOL
Chris Jones
My auntie recently discovered she has cancer (having been fobbed off with antibiotics from her GP for past few months) and can only imagine what the death toll from all these cancelled hospital procedures will end up being
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That's true, but the numbers are large enough to extrapolate fairly safely.
Large numbers of infections were 6 months ago now, if people were suffering short to medium term effects in significant numbers we'd know about it. That doesn't speak for the long term, but it seems that the vast majority (very nearly all) are showing a complete recovery.
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
Exactly
Apparently 2% seeing long Covid which could be just one symptom such as loss of smell or fatigue. Not nice but not a threat to life
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
Could we see some local lockdowns happening soon? Probably.
Might have gone unnoticed, but there were 200 a day hospital admissions due to covid in the northwest. That is back towards April/May figures. London is far more under control. The government must act decisively and quickly. Because we don't want the NHS to be the national covid service. Which is what happened when this virus hit. That impacts excess deaths etc.
What is the likely solution? We need to lock down affected cities. Close everything. Test people door to door. It's the only way I can see of gaining some effective control.
Maybe the 200 a day was a blip. But if there is another day or two of hospitalizations at similar rates, that is not a good sign and this government has to act fast.
Might have gone unnoticed, but there were 200 a day hospital admissions due to covid in the northwest. That is back towards April/May figures. London is far more under control. The government must act decisively and quickly. Because we don't want the NHS to be the national covid service. Which is what happened when this virus hit. That impacts excess deaths etc.
What is the likely solution? We need to lock down affected cities. Close everything. Test people door to door. It's the only way I can see of gaining some effective control.
Maybe the 200 a day was a blip. But if there is another day or two of hospitalizations at similar rates, that is not a good sign and this government has to act fast.
Legohamster
Ian Walker
My auntie recently discovered she has cancer (having been fobbed off with antibiotics from her GP for past few months) and can only imagine what the death toll from all these cancelled hospital procedures will end up being
Some Doctors have been awful during this, refusing to do face to face and missing signs they would have seen via a visit.
hope she now gets treatment
deaths at home at sky high and are making up the numbers for excess deaths
Do we have ages?
majority of break outs seem to be in unis and care homes.
How does that number compare to yearly admissions - deaths are way down
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
There is lag. First hospitalisation then sadly some succumb.
You have been lamenting the NHS not caring for other conditions. Point is Covid will consume the NHS unless the spread is managed. You can’t have it both ways, which do prefer an open non lock down or a functioning NHS?
Local lockdowns are the way forward I think.
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Legohamster
Ian Walker
it’s fair to say cases have been going up for 4 weeks a month?
This is the state bed wise in the NHS
given the ages of deaths it’s the shielding that’s looks like the right answer
the Gov haven’t looked after the care homes again which is one of the reasons we are seeing an increase in deaths.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
I think even Long Covid folk tend to feel fully recovered by week 24 so this true. But from a health perspective it's the unknowns that cause them to "err" on the side of caution.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Legohamster
Ian Walker
It’s spreading to the old because the Gov are doing the same they did back in March.
I hope they end up getting prosecuted by a lot of people from a host of backgrounds
how can Sage be made up of people at the top of fields they represent and be so lacking of common sense.
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
We’re not really seeing an increase in deaths yet. We just saw a marked increase in people being admitted to hospitals in some areas.
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ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
From BBC.........
Restrictions are coming into force around the continent as Covid-19 infections rise further:
Restrictions are coming into force around the continent as Covid-19 infections rise further:
- More than 40% of intensive care beds are full in the French capital Paris, according to regional health officials, and the Pasteur Institute warns it could hit 100% by the end of October
- The German capital Berlin has ordered a 23:00 to 06:00 curfew for restaurants and bars. Mayor Michael Müller says “if we don’t act now we’ll end up under lockdown again”
- From tomorrow, Italians will have to carry a mask and wear it in most cases including outdoors – under a law to be signed today by PM Giuseppe Conte
- From Friday, Belgians will have to limit close contacts to a maximum of three people outside the home
- Finland has seen cases rise to 227 in a day and the government is planning earlier closing times for restaurant bars from this weekend
- Elsewhere, the Czech Republic has recorded a new high of 4,457 new cases - with 13 more deaths and a sharp rise in hospital admissions. An appeal by three intensive care hospital directors has been widely shared on social media: “You have to listen to us,” they say.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
it seems this is the 2nd wave now. It isn't as intense as the first one yet but clearly the hospital admissions are trending upwards while most people are observing rules. Regardless of whether you like it or not we can assume that from now until post Xmas we will see an increase in restrictions. This seems to be the same issue for most countrie who have contact tracing setup effectively, but our failings see us with higher numbers again. Frustrating.
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
It seems like long covid is a developing situation - it's easy to forget we are only 7/8 months into this virus, so it's still a baby in terms of understanding it's knock on effects (a symptom of the immediacy culture I guess).
Long covid throws up all kinds of questions -
does it cause new issues?
Does it accentuate existing conditions that the body was managing (this seems most plausible to me - based on nothing other than instinct)?
Is long covid actually a red herring and it's coincidence?
Could long covid be high impact, small volume?
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
I'm moving house in a couple of weeks - as long as it's after then I can deal with it!
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
I don't think the numbers and length of data sets are robust enough to extrapolate effectively at all and would I be advising senior management to start thinking about potential action plans whilst we continue to watch the data - it's in the emerging phase and anecdotal; that is the point at which you start to focus data collection to see what/if the real picture is.
It's not something to currently panic about, but it is something to put on the risk register (currently low probability, medium/high impact, with the caveat of insufficient data) and monitor very closely.
Diamond Lights
Alan Hutton
Listening to a podcast with a GP explaining what he's seeing, said one of his patients was describing 'his feet were effectively on fire' - he had recovered from COVID and this was occuring around 2 months later. GP said there's early research on COVID affecting the nerves within the body for some people, and thinks it's likely that but simply not enough known yet.
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
Yep we are looking at winding down the next phase of our company because of it. We are just not going to survive this
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
2% of the world are reporting long term affects so far which means there are millions of people recovered not reporting a single extra symptom in the long run.
I am not playing down people feeling like crap, its not nice, but its only those people that run to the press to complain about the after effects of Covid, not those that have gone back to work and feel absolutely fine.
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
I prefer an open lockdown where people are actually abiding by the rules.
The reason Unis are so badly impacted is because the idiots are going What do you expect we are students ermmmm no you are not you are adults and you are expected to act like one during a pandemic
People know that carehomes are a killing hub but you see idiots on tele saying they will not be stopped going to see their loved ones, ahhhhh thats nice, sentiment over sense.
Ultimately 70% of hospital admissions are of those within the dangerzone age wise or with secondary illness so like its been said on here umpteen times, you protect the old and vulnerable and you help the rest of the world go back to work in a safe environment to avoid the ever rising cases of suicide, child abuse, abuse, mental health issues and long term unemployment and poverty