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Coronavirus

glorygloryeze said:
Interesting...can i ask:

1) How are such curfews enforced? Checkpoints? Drones? Satellite?
2) People working in those industries: are they given money by the local/federal government to offset people getting kicked out of their apartments, losing their houses, not being able to feed etc?
3) These increases in cases since July shown on the graph: do you have data or a similar graph for hospitalizations and deaths?
4) Lastly, why is Melbourne (and perhaps the state of Victoria in general) seeing such effects from coronavirus compared to the rest of Australia?
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1) There's a number of things: There is a permit system and between 5am-8pm you must have a permit if you're working or on your way to work.
There's also checkpoints for entering regional areas, where police check your ID to see firstly if you're outside of the 5km radius and if you have a valid reason/permit
Anyone out between 8pm and 5am will be asked for their permit but most should be at home by then because supermarkets etc all close earlier to allow staff to get home.

Individual breaches of these rules have a $1652 fine. If you're at work without a permit it's a $9,913 for the company. If you are found to have lied to get a permit, it's an individual fine of $19,826 and $99,132 for companies.

There are police and army roaming the streets - I see them a lot. There are door knocks to confirm people with COVID are actually at home.

There's also a $200 fine if you're not wearing a mask in public (not just shops but even if you're just walking to the shops).

Some details on the fines given (from September 3) https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09...ockdown-curfew-fines-top-2.9-million/12618528

2) As many of the essential workers are also some of the most vulnerable in terms of money and job security, there is a $450 payment if you have to miss work to get a COVID test, regardless of whether it's positive.

If you have been 'stood down' from work, you are eligible for a $1500 per fortnight payment. This is being reduced by around $300 very soon (if not already.) Essentially, the government pays your company, and the company pays you the salary. It depends on the individuals, sometimes the $1500 is the full payment, sometimes the employer will then cover the difference between your actual salary. This obviously assumes you cannot work and there's a number of criteria based on lost revenue for the company.

There's also new laws to prevent renters being evicted if they cannot afford rent. I'm not too sure how this works in reality.

3) This is where I got that graph from: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03...-19-spreads-in-australia/12060704?nw=0#deaths
Loads of data there

4) We had some major fudge ups with hotel quarantine. What it came down to (I believe, there is an inquiry happening at the moment) was one security guard catching it from an inappropriate interaction with a COVID-confirmed person and taking that home to their family, who spread it to another family and so on. The hotel quarantine system had some major flaws, but I have no doubt other states in Australia had similar flaws...so there is definitely an element of bad luck in just how bad it got here.
 
Closing the pub at 10pm is the government's response to the exponentially increasing number of daily cases? It's not 1 April so I'm assuming this isn't a wind up. Absolute joke. The deaths will start to ramp up in the coming weeks and then it'll be lockdown time. The time to act was in the summer when everyone was drinking in busy pubs, going to Ibiza and shopping for clothes on busy high streets.
 
glorygloryeze said:
I'm not sure whatever NICE might or might not recommend or the safety (or not) of the covid vaccine matter, given what the government has been proposing in their recent consultation: https://www.gov.uk/government/consu...s-to-support-the-rollout-of-covid-19-vaccines

Why would the vaccine manufacturers be exempt from any Civil Liability in any cases where there were adverse effects if there would be confidence in its quality and safety? Would we in normal life be able to get away with driving with no insurance, let alone a car manufacturer be bailed out by any government if they were to sell cars that might or might not be faulty? (Nice work if you could get it though!)

Not to talk of other rules that are seemingly being proposed to be 'relaxed' when it come to who administers said vaccine, whether the vaccine has to be licensed etc.
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That is for unlicensed vaccines. I didn't suggest taking one of them.
 
So, we’re again being advised to stay at home to work (directly conflicting the advice given only two weeks ago).

We’re now told to get tests only if displaying symptoms (a fortnight ago everyone was being told to have one if they wanted one).

It doesn’t spread through schools, we were told. Now year groups and staff at hundreds (thousands? No one knows, as the figures are hidden) of barely functioning schools are isolating, and schools are crying out for tests. So the unions were right.

The app was going to be the vital ingredient and would be ready for May. We’re still waiting.

As in March, there are no tests in place at our airports and ports.

Eat out to help out - now it’s doors closed by 10pm.

Meanwhile, they tell us it’s the fault of ethnic groups; of young people; of us all, for following instructions to go back to our lives, and for then needing tests as a result.

Not once have they taken any responsibility for one f.uck up after another.
 
A friend of mine had a note from his school last week saying a child in his kids bubble has symptoms and had been sent home and will be tested.

Almost a week later they have not been able to get a test, if that doesn’t change by tomorrow the whole bubble will have to self isolate for 14 days.

School have also changed their guidance as to when children should stay home, from now on they don’t want children showing any cold like symptoms to come in at all.

Unraveling fast.
 
One of mine had a cough, we all had to stay home,l we got a test on the same day and the result the next morning and sent them all back after the weekend.

I didn't find it hard to get a test but it may just be more availability locally or people don't care and are not getting tested.
 
Three workplaces (100+ staff) in my direct circle have reopened to those workers who want to go back in, all have reported positive Covid tests within the first few weeks. It's just going to keep happening.
 
Too much flip flapping

Too much listening to joe public over things and reacting when they should have ignored alot of it and been strong enough to give the country consistency.

As soon as we went into Lockdown this level of flopping about was always going to happen.

Things like Pubs and Dine out to Help out came because the hospitality industry cried about them dying under the strain of lockdown, the same was from the public. So they gave incentives to go out to aid mental health and industry, but because we had been in lockdown and the numbers had gone down the X and have now risen to Y that looks like a mistake because everything is now going to be comparable to the death or infection rate we had at the end of lockdown. This means we wont be able to do anything till a vaccine comes which is going to be the new year.

What would have been better would have been not go into a lockdown and managed the shielding etc alot better and not allowed the country to descend into a situation where we now have a gun to our heads.
 
If and its a big if but IF we are getting the same level of cases which is comparable to April as I am hearing yet the deaths no increasing to the same level because the vulnerable are better protected and that remains the same into next month then I would love the government to have to bottle to use that data and get people back to critical parts of their life before the country collapse on its absolute ar5e
 
tommysvr said:
1) There's a number of things: There is a permit system and between 5am-8pm you must have a permit if you're working or on your way to work.
There's also checkpoints for entering regional areas, where police check your ID to see firstly if you're outside of the 5km radius and if you have a valid reason/permit
Anyone out between 8pm and 5am will be asked for their permit but most should be at home by then because supermarkets etc all close earlier to allow staff to get home.

Individual breaches of these rules have a $1652 fine. If you're at work without a permit it's a $9,913 for the company. If you are found to have lied to get a permit, it's an individual fine of $19,826 and $99,132 for companies.

There are police and army roaming the streets - I see them a lot. There are door knocks to confirm people with COVID are actually at home.

There's also a $200 fine if you're not wearing a mask in public (not just shops but even if you're just walking to the shops).

Some details on the fines given (from September 3) https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09...ockdown-curfew-fines-top-2.9-million/12618528

2) As many of the essential workers are also some of the most vulnerable in terms of money and job security, there is a $450 payment if you have to miss work to get a COVID test, regardless of whether it's positive.

If you have been 'stood down' from work, you are eligible for a $1500 per fortnight payment. This is being reduced by around $300 very soon (if not already.) Essentially, the government pays your company, and the company pays you the salary. It depends on the individuals, sometimes the $1500 is the full payment, sometimes the employer will then cover the difference between your actual salary. This obviously assumes you cannot work and there's a number of criteria based on lost revenue for the company.

There's also new laws to prevent renters being evicted if they cannot afford rent. I'm not too sure how this works in reality.

3) This is where I got that graph from: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03...-19-spreads-in-australia/12060704?nw=0#deaths
Loads of data there

4) We had some major fudge ups with hotel quarantine. What it came down to (I believe, there is an inquiry happening at the moment) was one security guard catching it from an inappropriate interaction with a COVID-confirmed person and taking that home to their family, who spread it to another family and so on. The hotel quarantine system had some major flaws, but I have no doubt other states in Australia had similar flaws...so there is definitely an element of bad luck in just how bad it got here.
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Thanks for the reply and the details.

I have to say that sounds absolutely dystopian. I don't envy you guys down there; like many are saying the 'cures' seem to actually be worse than the virus itself....
 
LutonSpurs said:
That is for unlicensed vaccines. I didn't suggest taking one of them.
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The point is that the Government are proposing rolling out a COVID-19 vaccine EVEN IF NOT LICENSED.

Amongst other thing they are also proposing:

a) that people beyond healthcare professionals like the usual registered doctors and nurses who have licences are also able to administer the vaccine (e.g. paramedics, physios, occupation health staff, pharmacists, perhaps Local Authority staff etc)

b) Vaccine manufacturers are exempt from any civil liability in the event of any vaccine-related injuries or other adverse effects

I was pointing that in light of this, whether MHRA approve of a covid-19 vaccine or not may well be largely irrelevant
 
Mikey10 said:
So, we’re again being advised to stay at home to work (directly conflicting the advice given only two weeks ago).

We’re now told to get tests only if displaying symptoms (a fortnight ago everyone was being told to have one if they wanted one).

It doesn’t spread through schools, we were told. Now year groups and staff at hundreds (thousands? No one knows, as the figures are hidden) of barely functioning schools are isolating, and schools are crying out for tests. So the unions were right.

The app was going to be the vital ingredient and would be ready for May. We’re still waiting.

As in March, there are no tests in place at our airports and ports.

Eat out to help out - now it’s doors closed by 10pm.

Meanwhile, they tell us it’s the fault of ethnic groups; of young people; of us all, for following instructions to go back to our lives, and for then needing tests as a result.

Not once have they taken any responsibility for one f.uck up after another.
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Yeh but mate, Brexit.
 
markysimmo said:
As a question
will everybody on here have the vaccine as soon as its out, not knowing whats in it or the possible long term side effects ??
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I wouldn't ever have it (perhaps in 20 years if Covid is still around).

However, I am happy to follow social distancing rules, masks etc. and try to be responsible to make sure I dont catch-it and pass it on.
 
glorygloryeze said:
Thanks for the reply and the details.

I have to say that sounds absolutely dystopian. I don't envy you guys down there; like many are saying the 'cures' seem to actually be worse than the virus itself....
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It's totally crazy. But surely not worse than the virus in the UK? We've had 854 deaths; the UK 41,788.
 
The worse thing about this for me is how none of the rules are enforced. If everything is optional, what's the point?

I go on the train most days and 1/4 of people not wearing masks, it's just optional to wear one.

Also 2 separate households on my road have returned from holiday requiring quarantine. Neither of them are, just laughing "it's fine, nobody checks".

Why are they not doing door checks?

It seems in other countries fines etc. are enforced, whereas here everything is just optional.
 
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