Coronavirus

[Mikey10]

I still see us in a technical lockdown as its restrictions stopping offices opening not want or will.

We were planning to reopen next month with the bubbles and restrictions we can't, staff want too, we have had a huge surge in worrying metal health signs from the team that our HR and others constantly firefight

Transport is no issue in London, my service as the same East, West and North of London are regular

If people were that scared they wouldn't be going out in their millions to pubs, eat out to help out wouldn't have been a storming success, the local shop wouldn't be packed. You could return to work is a safe an environment as you could a pub without doubt.

I don’t doubt some people are going out. Millions aren’t though. Some of the economy may be moving, a huge part of it isn’t.

The winter is going to hit those parts that are open pretty hard, in my opinion.

 

[Grays_1890]

I don’t doubt some people are going out. Millions aren’t though. Some of the economy may be moving, a huge part of it isn’t.

The winter is going to hit those parts that are open pretty hard, in my opinion.

A million pub staff returned

6.5m people hit the pubs per weekend in lock down

The full beaches In the sun were not isolated moments nor are the ventures out etc. Add them together and there are a huge portion willing to risk the health for recreation so I'm not sure there is this blanket fear.

Worse is pubs are maskless and social distancing near zero

Unless you survey the whole country you judge social habits for mood and as far as I can see the moods far from worried

 

[tommysvr]

There won’t be true light at the end of the tunnel until there’s a vaccine, I’m afraid. Move out of lockdown and the virus will start to increase again, as per the rest of the world.

Only in places where it’s mishandled, like the UK. NZ and everywhere in Australia except Melbourne are back to a semi-normal. By Christmas, we will be in Melbourne too because we’ve done a real lockdown, unlike the half lockdown of most other places.

I do agree until a vaccine is available it won’t be proper normal (international travel etc) but Australia and NZ are showing how you can get to a pre-vaccine normal.

 

[Legohamster]

Only in places where it’s mishandled, like the UK. NZ and everywhere in Australia except Melbourne are back to a semi-normal. By Christmas, we will be in Melbourne too because we’ve done a real lockdown, unlike the half lockdown of most other places.

I do agree until a vaccine is available it won’t be proper normal (international travel etc) but Australia and NZ are showing how you can get to a pre-vaccine normal.

How do NZ / Australia plan to get out of this if there is no vaccine for 5 years?

 

[tommysvr]

How do NZ / Australia plan to get out of this if there is no vaccine for 5 years?

It depends on your definition of “get out of this.” As I said, we’ll never get back to a proper normal without a vaccine but we had 19 new cases in the last 24 hours and currently 909 active in the whole of Australia. The UK had 3899 just today! As long as we keep our borders extremely tight (mandatory 2 week hotel quarantine at the individuals expense at the moment) then we will have a COVID-normal. Can that last until a vaccine? Who knows...but I’d rather live in this than the alternative.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

It depends on your definition of “get out of this.” As I said, we’ll never get back to a proper normal without a vaccine but we had 19 new cases in the last 24 hours and currently 909 active in the whole of Australia. The UK had 3899 just today! As long as we keep our borders extremely tight (mandatory 2 week hotel quarantine at the individuals expense at the moment) then we will have a COVID-normal. Can that last until a vaccine? Who knows...but I’d rather live in this than the alternative.

The uk economy needs international travel, we are connected like that.

How is the aussie economy doing?

 

[markysimmo]

1. 1:22
   Whitty on households mixing: If we don't change course we'll be in difficult problem
   Prof Whitty says the mortality rate will be slightly reduced this autumn and winter because treatment is better now - but there will still be many deaths.
   
   He also talks about the decisions that ministers will have to take - balancing the impact on the economy with the danger of the virus.
   
   "If we do too little, this virus will go out of control," he said.
   
   But if we go too far the other way we can cause damage to the economy, he says, which will have its own long-term health effects.
   
   Prof Whitty says it is important to have these two sides in mind when taking decisions.
   
   He talks about four things that can be done to combat the virus:
   
   • Reduce your individual risk by washing your hands
   • Self-isolate if you have symptoms
   • Break unnecessary links between households because that is the way the virus is transmitted. "We have to try and do this in the least damaging way," says Prof Whitty - but he acknowledges there are some "significant downsides"
   • The science - such as diagnostics and vaccines
   On the third point - which suggests limiting contact between households - Prof Whitty warns that if we do not change course we are going to find ourselves in a very difficult problem.
   
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2. Posted at 11:1911:19
   'No doubt' numbers are increasing - Vallance
   
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   Sir Patrick Vallance said you could see an increase in cases across all age groups.
   
   "Could that increase be due to increased testing? The answer is no," he said, pointing to the ONS study and others which show similar patterns.
   
   "It is now estimated that roughly 70,000 people in the UK have Covid infection and around 6,000 per day are getting the infection."
   
   He said we are now in a situation where numbers are increasing.
   
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3. Posted at 11:1511:15
   Whitty: Covid will be a 'six-month problem' which we all need to deal with
   "The seasons are against us," says Prof Whitty. "We are now going into the seasons... that benefit respiratory viruses."
   
   It's very likely Covid will benefit from autumn and winter, he says.
   
   He says it will be a "six-month problem that we will have to deal with collectively".
   
   "This period of the next six months needs to be taken seriously," he says.
   
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4. Posted at 11:1311:13
   Whitty: This is not someone else's problem, this is all of our problem
   Prof Chris Whitty says the very high rates of transmission in the UK are concentrated in some areas - but there are high rates elsewhere.
   
   "We're seeing a rate of increase across the great majority of the country," says Prof Whitty.
   
   He says that anywhere that had falling numbers of cases is now beginning to see a rise.
   
   "This is not someone else's problem, this is all of our problem," says Prof Whitty.
   
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5. Posted at 11:1111:11
   Eight per cent of population have antibodies
   Sir Patrick says about three million people - or 8% - in the UK have antibodies, meaning the vast majority of us are not protected and are susceptible to the disease.
   
   If someone has antibodies present it suggests they have already had the virus.
   
   The number of people with antibodies is a little higher in the cities - perhaps as high as 17% in London, he adds.
   
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6. Posted at 11:0811:08
   50,000 cases a day by mid-October if it continues at same rate
   
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   At the moment we think the epidemic is doubling roughly every seven days, says Sir Patrick, the UK's chief scientific adviser.
   
   If that continues unabated, then by mid-October we would end up with 50,000 cases per day, he said.
   
   That would be expected to lead to 200 plus deaths per day by the middle of November.
   
   He says this graph shows "how quickly this can move".
   
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7. Posted at 11:0811:08
   Virus has 'not changed in propensity to cause deaths'
   Sir Patrick Vallance starts by showing examples of what has happened in other countries.
   
   In France and Spain the chief scientific officer says there has been an increase in younger age groups which has seen an increase in cases in the older population.
   
   "As the disease spreads across age groups we expect to see increase in hospitalisations and those unfortunately will lead to increase in deaths," he said.
   
   He added: "The message is simple, the virus has not changed in ability and propensity to cause disease and to cause deaths".
   

 

[Grays_1890]

I thought everyone had NZ down as a benchmark of how to handle it? Are they mishandling it as mentioned by poster above?

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

Jesus Christ you are Dim, no wonder you are hiding behind the sofa in case you get the rona you are clearly unable to read data and are swayed with ease.

At what point have I defended the Gov?

please point out - where I have said - yeah they are doing well?

the fact I’m so against a pointless lockdown surely shows I’m anything but supportive

Holding the Gov to account by wanting more to suffer? Sounds like point scoring to me

Hyperbole much? Saying that I want more people to suffer? Where did you get that from? BTW, being anti lock down doesn't necessarily make you anti government. Nice try but no cigar I'm afraid. Anyway, good to see that you are up off the floor. Well done!

 

[Legohamster]

Surely Chris Whitty made a mistake?

he compared it to Flu?

 

[Legohamster]

Hyperbole much? Saying that I want more people to suffer? Where did you get that from? BTW, being anti lock down doesn't necessarily make you anti government. Nice try but no cigar I'm afraid. Anyway, good to see that you are up off the floor. Well done!

Come on now don’t be a coward.

Admit you are more than happy for the lost above to happen as long as you get your lockdown.

being pro-lockdown means you are happy with the trade off.

It’s amusing the ones calling anti lock downers selfish, as they are in the majority the ones able to WFH with ease whilst the pub workers Etc of the world Suffer.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

Come on now don’t be a coward.

Admit you are more than happy for the lost above to happen as long as you get your lockdown.

being pro-lockdown means you are happy with the trade off.

It’s amusing the ones calling anti lock downers selfish, as they are in the majority the ones able to WFH with ease whilst the pub workers Etc of the world Suffer.

Try to draft a response in correct English. I can appreciate your hysteria, but try to compose yourself. The above makes no sense at all. That would help greatly.

 

[Grays_1890]

Try to draft a response in correct English. I can appreciate your hysteria, but try to compose yourself. The above makes no sense at all. That would help greatly.

Would you like to see a second lockdown based on today's news of a potential Oct spike? In your mind is there a plan B which isn't a lockdown for example?

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

Would you like to see a second lockdown based on today's news of a potential Oct spike? In your mind is there a plan B which isn't a lockdown for example?

Nobody in their right mind is pro lock down, nobody wants it. The problem is, that this government caved in too early to the vested interests to open up and now the genie is back out to the bottle. Hangrooster is in full panic mode hence the threat of a second lock down. The problem with the let it rip proponents is that the economy will not bounce back by opening up, because people have altered their behaviour and decision making. People are going to be reticent about spending money and following their former patterns of behaviour. The irony is that the pussies who thought that spending a few months at home was comparable to the Blitz and demanded an end to the lock down have now condemned us to this present fix. All I can think of is making masks mandatory and closing down certain industries that remain as high risk. Localized hot spot lock downs would also be an option. it's a cluster fudge of incompetence.

 

[Grays_1890]

Nobody in their right mind is pro lock down, nobody wants it. The problem is, that this government caved in too early to the vested interests to open up and now the genie is back out to the bottle. Hangrooster is in full panic mode hence the threat of a second lock down. The problem with the let it rip proponents is that the economy will not bounce back by opening up, because people have altered their behaviour and decision making. People are going to be reticent about spending money and following their former patterns of behaviour. The irony is that the pussies who thought that spending a few months at home was comparable to the Blitz and demanded an end to the lock down have now condemned us to this present fix. All I can think of is making masks mandatory and closing down certain industries that remain as high risk. Localized hot spot lock downs would also be an option. it's a cluster fudge of incompetence.

Interesting, fair view.

For me for companies to be given a chance its not just about public spending but giving companies the opportunity to start the wheel moving again which allows their business the chance to survive and in that their staffs jobs. Thats not always direct to consumer business but as I mentioned earlier many companies are multi layered in how they make money and its dependent on companies being back and working to create that knock on effect.

I think the Pub situation is the one that I cant get my head round. The city could be opened again if you did a 50% staff rotation 4 days a week with a rest day on say weds for extra sanitation as long as staff were happy to stick to social distancing and masks when moving around. That would be a lower risk than pubs being open for the month they have been now where social distancing and masks are near zero as they are not conducive to a pub making money, so no policed. That for me is one of the largest fudge ups from Boris, its the part people are afraid to attack because the pubs such an institution.

If we have to have another lockdown that takes us into 2021 I fear for the country more than I do now and now I am ultra fearful.

 

[awesome dawson]

The uk economy needs international travel, we are connected like that.

How is the aussie economy doing?

Honestly its not great but if their plan works out, the damage will have been limited to around six months, and that’s Melbourne. The rest of the country is operating relatively normally. Tourism and international student education are shafted until international travel is open.

I don't think a vaccine is five years off either.

 

[Legohamster]

Would you like to see a second lockdown based on today's news of a potential Oct spike? In your mind is there a plan B which isn't a lockdown for example?

Why did they not do the graphs from the start of March to give prospective

the same people are pushing for a lockdown as did back in March without any thought of the excess deaths elsewhere (200k deaths by the govs own figures)

lockdowns don’t work, reduction of certain things do.

The most telling thing today was no questions allowed.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

Why did they not do the graphs from the start of March to give prospective

the same people are pushing for a lockdown as did back in March without any thought of the excess deaths elsewhere (200k deaths by the govs own figures)

lockdowns don’t work, reduction of certain things do.

The most telling thing today was no questions allowed.

Melbourne reduced infections from over 700 per day to 11 per day now. Due to a strict lock down complete with curfew. Without that, Melbourne would have had thousands of infections a day and that is not me saying it, that was the expert advice..

 

[markysimmo]

Am in the office again today
I'm one of 6 in an office that can hold 250 +

 

[glorygloryeze]

Why did they not do the graphs from the start of March to give prospective

the same people are pushing for a lockdown as did back in March without any thought of the excess deaths elsewhere (200k deaths by the govs own figures)

lockdowns don’t work, reduction of certain things do.

The most telling thing today was no questions allowed.

Melbourne reduced infections from over 700 per day to 11 per day now. Due to a strict lock down complete with curfew. Without that, Melbourne would have had thousands of infections a day and that is not me saying it, that was the expert advice..

Was there any mention or comparison of how things are currently going in Sweden or any of the other Scandinavian countries btw?