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StephenH said:
So if some disagree with Cummings’s actions they are just ‘political point scoring‘?

Boris is real worry as a PM. He is frightening.
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What are you talking about? Clearly in the starry eyes of the right wingers, he is a confirmed genius. Can't you see that he has been positively Churchillan, in his response to this crisis. Look around you man....and see!
 
Grays_1890 said:
Like I just said, its Labours fault as much by not being able to provide an opposition enough to give the country a viable 2nd option.
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See, I knew it would get back to that. Labour are at fault, even when in opposition,...ha, ha. What studied analysis of the the political scene and of course consistent with the views of a life time Labour voter. Stop it, please stop. :p:p:p:p
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
See, I knew it would get back to that. Labour are at fault, even when in opposition,...ha, ha. What studied analysis of the the political scene and of course consistent with the views of a life time Labour voter. Stop it, please stop. :p:p:p:p
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Facts are Labour inability to provide an opposition to challenge plays a HUGE part in the fact we have a poor set up now, there has not been a decent opposition to push a frankly brick show of a Conservative party for the last 4 years. Argue that? They are complicit, not at fault.

Also just to fact check you, saying the Cummings lockdown fall out was OTT is not calling him a genius, genius was added by you

I would not say being a Labour voter who quit the party under Corbyn due to Anti Antisemitism and the bullying of MPs who spoke out would be a laughing matter but alas I am wrong ey.

I don't see much wrong having a balanced political view where I can hold my own party up to questioning, its better than being blinded by some strange football club mentality where you just brick on everything anyone outside your party does. Its that view that got Labour in the state it is in and fighting hard to unravel. The "FBME" Socialist Corbyn Labour where the left echo chamber was strong and abusive in its defence of the party and leader but dwindling in numbers so much so it became worse than the Liberal party, it don't make you a right wing Tory to point out that Corbyns inability to take advantage of the Tories in disarray.
 
Robspur12 said:
For me, the Cummings situation sums up the whole handling of the pandemic by the government. Failing to put adequate measures early at the ports, thereby allowing the epidemic to seed, abandoning test, track and trace in March, failing to protect the care homes despite the warnings from Sage early in the year.
The top team all going down with Covid 19 at the same time, the of lack of PPE,. and the highest number of deaths in Europe. Then followed with Boris's triumphalism about the NHS. If this pandemic had been handled well people would care less about the Cummings situation because it would be an outlier.

What Cummings did, during a pandemic, was inexcusable. He took an infected person and moved them from one end of the country to another. We believe that the outcome was that he didn't spread the virus, but who knows for sure.

But to those on here who bleat on about political points scoring, how many of you are frontline workers? My aunt died because she took on an extra shift in her nursing home as there were not enough staff to cover. She was vulnerable and she knew it but cared for some of those people for 20 years and couldn't bear to let them down. She had no PPE, and no testing available. She was sitting duck.

Now my father, a 74 year old still registered nurse gets pestered to come back to his work because they are short staffed and because of Boris's speech thinks it is safe.

I work for the local authority every day I send my staff out with very little PPE available relying on just distancing to enforce the law that aims to suppress the virus in the community. 2 of my staff have contracted COVID through work, thankfully both recovered. But they are going into people's homes, shops, illegal shisha bars construction sites. The other week officers actually had to borrow masks from the police to raid an illegal shisha bar. My ex colleagues in the Police themselves have PPE that's not really fit for purpose.

So I challenge those complaining that I am political point scoring to come and stand with me and my team. Stand with us when people are threatening to spit at us and we have no PPE to protect ourselves, stand with us when we walk into smoke filled shisha bars with nothing more a silly paper face covering. Stand with my wife a special needs teachers going back to work where she cannot wear PPE or social distance because the government say it is safe.. We are trying to suppress this virus to protect the public and get you back to work, play whatever you did before lockdown and the government are not helping.
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I’m very sorry to hear about your aunt mate. Thank you for your service.
 
thfcsteff said:
Let me put to you that his behavior, whatever mitigation it might or might not deserve, will make any potential "second lockdown" if there is a second spike in the Autumn very, very difficult. He has done a lot in the public view to weaken the case for any gvmt rules. I understand he made a choice and one that I believe many of us would've if we can check the "hate" for a moment and see the parental concern.
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That's largely on the people themselves. If they think if he does that, then f.ck everything I'm gonna do xyz all I can say is let's hope he doesn't jump off a cliff next.

They can basically use him as an excuse to do what they want, I think we agree that he acted in a way that was understandable, so whomever he is, the action of the f.ucktards isn't on him.

My behaviour/attitude towards the guidelines isn't changed in the slightest due to this, and i suspect yours isn't too.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
My behaviour/attitude towards the guidelines isn't changed in the slightest due to this, and i suspect yours isn't too.
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Thats it, people will do what ever people want to do regardless, proof was there before the Cummings incident.

I am a advocate of the Swedish approach, have said that many times but even I would not look at what others are doing when breaking the rules. I think its almost an excuse and in ways lazy.

People know what they are doing.
 
SpurMeUp said:
What about if all PL players and their families self isolate. Then all of them - circa 1000 to 2000 people - get tested twice a month and then a week before the first game. Something like that might work. How are they managing it in the Bundesliga?
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I did think about that.
I don't agree re; regular testing - unless it's done privately (ie has no impact on testing for everyone else). The current testing regime for the country is only once symptoms are developed.
I'm simply not confirmed for one rule for one and one for another - (apart from money) why should football get preferencial treatment over rugby? Or hockey? Or cricket?
Or business for that matter. If the rules can be ammended for football, why should a small business struggle? If it's about money, why should a big business not be able to make the same provisions if it's willing to invest in it?
 
monkeybarry said:
I did think about that.
I don't agree re; regular testing - unless it's done privately (ie has no impact on testing for everyone else). The current testing regime for the country is only once symptoms are developed.
I'm simply not confirmed for one rule for one and one for another - (apart from money) why should football get preferencial treatment over rugby? Or hockey? Or cricket?
Or business for that matter. If the rules can be ammended for football, why should a small business struggle? If it's about money, why should a big business not be able to make the same provisions if it's willing to invest in it?
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Some businesses have been using private testing for some months now. GP practices in Cambridge were paying for testing of staff even before lockdown. The UK has a lot of smaller labs dotted about that the government decided they didn’t need. Wealthy PL clubs could pay for private testing.


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Grays_1890 said:
Facts are Labour inability to provide an opposition to challenge plays a HUGE part in the fact we have a poor set up now, there has not been a decent opposition to push a frankly brick show of a Conservative party for the last 4 years. Argue that? They are complicit, not at fault.

Also just to fact check you, saying the Cummings lockdown fall out was OTT is not calling him a genius, genius was added by you

I would not say being a Labour voter who quit the party under Corbyn due to Anti Antisemitism and the bullying of MPs who spoke out would be a laughing matter but alas I am wrong ey.

I don't see much wrong having a balanced political view where I can hold my own party up to questioning, its better than being blinded by some strange football club meteorology where you just brick on everything anyone outside your party does. Its that view that got Labour in the state it is in and fighting hard to unravel. The "FBME" Socialist Corbyn Labour where the left echo chamber was strong and abusive in its defence of the party and leader but dwindling in numbers so much so it became worse than the Liberal party, it don't make you a right wing Tory to point out that Corbyns inability to take advantage of the Tories in disarray.
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So...this is all Labour's fault? No wonder Cummings didn't resign, he knows it'll be forgotten in days.
 
monkeybarry said:
I did think about that.
I don't agree re; regular testing - unless it's done privately (ie has no impact on testing for everyone else). The current testing regime for the country is only once symptoms are developed.
I'm simply not confirmed for one rule for one and one for another - (apart from money) why should football get preferencial treatment over rugby? Or hockey? Or cricket?
Or business for that matter. If the rules can be ammended for football, why should a small business struggle? If it's about money, why should a big business not be able to make the same provisions if it's willing to invest in it?
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I think the fact the suggestion is to lockdown the families of footballers by SMUP proves how ridiculous it is.
 
parklane1 said:
Good post and i agree with it the bolded bit is the clincher though. For all the moral nashing of teeth from some on here about the situation i would hazard a guess that if they had the same worries about their child they would not come across so righteous. For others is just political ranting.
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I have said exactly this.
However he broke a key rule. And is in a position of enormous responsibility. Why can't people gauge that is wholly possible to sympathize (and empathize) with his actions whilst also admitting he broke a rule? I think people on all sides are politicizing it.
 
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