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Coronavirus

scaramanga said:
They did neither. They and their scientific advisers all made it clear that doing so would have little or no effect once the virus is already spreading in the country.

If you're suggesting a lockdown on flights in November then I'd agree with the efficacy of such an action. Beyond that, there's yet to be any evidence that it has an effect on that stage of the spread.
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Absolute BS. As usual.
 
scaramanga said:
They did neither. They and their scientific advisers all made it clear that doing so would have little or no effect once the virus is already spreading in the country.

If you're suggesting a lockdown on flights in November then I'd agree with the efficacy of such an action. Beyond that, there's yet to be any evidence that it has an effect on that stage of the spread.
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Australia are now in a position where they have to do this non stop, where as we don’t as we have it on our systems.

This will last for a couple of weeks.

Maybe even less when trump tells us to open up if we want trade
 
scaramanga said:
They did neither. They and their scientific advisers all made it clear that doing so would have little or no effect once the virus is already spreading in the country.

If you're suggesting a lockdown on flights in November then I'd agree with the efficacy of such an action. Beyond that, there's yet to be any evidence that it has an effect on that stage of the spread.
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I agree that action as early as possible would have been preferable.

Failing that though, I have great difficulty believing that allowing unchecked arrivals from China in January/February and Italy & Spain in February/March didn't significantly exacerbate the situation.
 
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scaramanga said:
I know a lot of teachers.

The good ones (about 20%) would continue to work once the unions were crushed. They do the job because they care and that's what makes them good.

The rest could be replaced by non-toilet trained chimps and nobody would notice.
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Ha, ha your lack of logic is astounding at times. So a teacher who is a unionist has no commitment to the students? I think you might benefit by attending one of my clear thinking classes in English mate. Scara never lets an invalid generalization get in the way of a rant.
 
Relaxation in Germany bringing its issues due to their key measurement of success aka keeping infection rates low. Reports of infection rates rising and now a massive fall out with the EU.

The Virus proving you are not going to beat the house
 
Grays_1890 said:
And just seen this about South Korea

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52601754

So it looks as if the world has a simple choice to make. Remain locked down and keep the success going if low infection rates are your Everest or don’t and accept the majority will recover and go back to have some slither of a life.
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Repeated easing and tightening of lockdowns is what will happen until we get therapeutic treatments or a vaccine. It’s ‘the new normal.’
 
SpurMeUp said:
Stay Alert everyone...while staying indoors. Glenda was spot on this government's messaging is deeply confused.
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i was actually against a national government of unity or whatever they were wanting to call it.

But maybe getting as many serious grown ups in would be a good thing. 2 years time the will still be 2 and half years left of the parliament which would be enough time for them to go back to petty political point scoring.

Also read an interesting bit in the sunday times today about how economists were involved in the rebuild after the second world war.

After this is over i think state support for a certain level of manufacturing is very important, goes against the free market loons like @scaramanga and also probably goes against the EU but i care for neither opinions. Focusing on the green economy and a living wage would be important as well.

The years after this crisis should see us move the economy towards self sufficiency and also means tested nhs access, if your fat or smoke, fcuk off.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Stay Alert everyone...while staying indoors. Glenda was spot on this government's messaging is deeply confused.
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Maybe it is if you need to be handheld through life.

It’s clear, the message is stay home but when you need to go out stay alert and adhere to social distancing.

It’s a message towards the fact that people are ignoring social distancing and of relaxing rules is going to work the original advise of stay a distance and keep sanitising still exists.

Not hard
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1259440331763978240

Stay at home as much as possible. So the 'essential' part of going out is being lifted (e.g. If people want to meet friends and family then it's not possible for all of them to stay at home), and social distancing will only be required where 'possible' (therefore public transport does not have to adhere).
We'll see what Boris says later. I get that we can't stay in this semi-lockdown for ever, I just hope the government have the timing right on this.

Edit : I would say that "control the virus" is a realistic tag line, as we are going to have to live with it for a long time yet.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
Ha, ha your lack of logic is astounding at times. So a teacher who is a unionist has no commitment to the students? I think you might benefit by attending one of my clear thinking classes in English mate. Scara never lets an invalid generalization get in the way of a rant.
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That's not what I said - try reading it again.

All teachers are unionised (to my knowledge) but the ones who are good care about the job. They would return to work once the unions are crushed without a union. Those who rely on the protection of a union to coast through their jobs with 20 sick days a year would not want to or be able to.
 
Parklaner81 said:
I agree that action as early as possible would have been preferable.

Failing that though, I have great difficulty believing that allowing unchecked arrivals from China in January/February and Italy & Spain in February/March didn't significantly exacerbate the situation.
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Think about it from a position of the virus already being here and already spreading here.

Adding a few thousand people (most of whom won't be infected) to a population of 70m doesn't really change much at all.

If you're not social distancing, everyone will get it and develop immunity anyway. If you are distancing, then those who have it can't spread it anyway.

When you consider cost Vs benefit, it's really not much of a win when the numbers are already increasing. It may have some small effect when the numbers are reducing.
 
Mikey10 said:
Repeated easing and tightening of lockdowns is what will happen until we get therapeutic treatments or a vaccine. It’s ‘the new normal.’
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Granted I’ve only seen this on Twitter and nowhere else so more than happy to be proved as incorrect.

But Sweden have announced 5 deaths today.

If that is true it’s falling quicker than ours
 
Glenda's Legs said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1259440331763978240

Stay at home as much as possible. So the 'essential' part of going out is being lifted (e.g. If people want to meet friends and family then it's not possible for all of them to stay at home), and social distancing will only be required where 'possible' (therefore public transport does not have to adhere).
We'll see what Boris says later. I get that we can't stay in this semi-lockdown for ever, I just hope the government have the timing right on this.

Edit : I would say that "control the virus" is a realistic tag line, as we are going to have to live with it for a long time yet.
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Yes, there's a nice caveat on 4 of the 5 bullet points, so we're basically back to washing our hands.

At least we've got the numeric Riskometer to look forward to, that'll make all the difference. We'll know just how alert we need to be.
 
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