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Robspur12 said:
Based on what? You have to have some evidence behind this claim. Even if their peak comes later the likelihood is they will be behind us while it is equally likely we have a second peak.
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It is an opinion on a football forum so now but the reason I believe what I believe is following.

If you have locked down efficiently like Germany and fair play to them on that then the only way I see to protect that good work is to remain in a state of full or controlled lockdown which they may do, however as many mention on here that would come at a cost to economy which is driven by exchange aka people coming into your country, which will be a risk to all the work done, so what do you do? It’s almost a catch 22. And I know there is more to it than that but this Virus doesn’t care that Germany locked down well and therefore will leave them alone.

The peak everyone experiences seems to be that of old and vulnerable (people with underlining conditions) yes there are exceptions to that rule but give or take that’s where the majority of death lies. I am not saying that it’s a good thing but it seems to be fact. That peak that’s hit us, Italy and Spain due to various reasons and Sweden through choice follow a same pattern and I believe that pattern is likely unavoidable due to human nature, you can’t police the human race.

I would like to be proven wrong, the idea I don’t is ridiculous, I just believe it as it’s my train of thought.

If you believe this last 2 months is enough and the end of this I think your entitled to your view but you are wrong, this will bite again and come the end when the numbers are tallied up they will all follow the same pattern, in my opinion
 
Daisuk said:
I'm getting Arse*al Fan TV vibes from this, for some reason. :p

https://twitter.com/x/status/1256623445854560261
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I thought it was the Muslims who were going to be gathering causing a nuisance and praying in the street that we needed to worry about. We need to speak to these peoples community leaders and ask why they are like this. Is it a cultural thing for them to be this fudging stupid?


Lol I jest. But fudge me these lot are special.....
 
Grays_1890 said:
It is an opinion on a football forum so now but the reason I believe what I believe is following.

If you have locked down efficiently like Germany and fair play to them on that then the only way I see to protect that good work is to remain in a state of full or controlled lockdown which they may do, however as many mention on here that would come at a cost to economy which is driven by exchange aka people coming into your country, which will be a risk to all the work done, so what do you do? It’s almost a catch 22. And I know there is more to it than that but this Virus doesn’t care that Germany locked down well and therefore will leave them alone.

The peak everyone experiences seems to be that of old and vulnerable (people with underlining conditions) yes there are exceptions to that rule but give or take that’s where the majority of death lies. I am not saying that it’s a good thing but it seems to be fact. That peak that’s hit us, Italy and Spain due to various reasons and Sweden through choice follow a same pattern and I believe that pattern is likely unavoidable due to human nature, you can’t police the human race.

I would like to be proven wrong, the idea I don’t is ridiculous, I just believe it as it’s my train of thought.

If you believe this last 2 months is enough and the end of this I think your entitled to your view but you are wrong, this will bite again and come the end when the numbers are tallied up they will all follow the same pattern, in my opinion
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There’s at least an even chance that we will have a vaccine and therapeutic treatments by this time next year, if not before. So this stage is all about buying time. There is no inevitability about the virus rampaging through society, and there is every chance that we will ease in and out of strict lockdowns until the vaccine and/or treatments do arrive.

In some respects, the government can do what it wants re lifting restrictions. Until they prove they have actually got a German, Kiwi or South Korean hold of the situation then the public will probably emerge from home only when they absolutely have to.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...staurants-opinium-poll?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
 
LutonSpurs said:
I thought it was the Muslims who were going to be gathering causing a nuisance and praying in the street that we needed to worry about. We need to speak to these peoples community leaders and ask why they are like this. Is it a cultural thing for them to be this fudging stupid?


Lol I jest. But fudge me these lot are special.....
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The muslims are actually a very clean people with the washing their hands all the time.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
I have similar concerns as a principle. On balance, I most likely will use the app because if I should contract the virus and be asymptomatic then at least anyone with whom I will have come into contact can be made aware and protect themselves and others.

But first I want to understand more about security, how the data will be stored, how long for, how it will be used, who will have access to it etc. Is there going to be legislation to set parameters around how government can collect, store and use the data - and time limitations when they will stop, even if an app is still installed?

Thousands of people need to be trained up as tracers, going out and talking to people who have been identified as being in contact (whatever that exactly means) with an infected person. What checks and safeguards will be in place?

This is where I expect Labour to be asking questions. I can see the difficulty as it will be too easy for them to be accused of being obstructive, not helping the government lift the lock-down etc., but it is important that the government is subject to very high scrutiny over this. A lot more information is needed imo.
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All of that information is out there online, in terms of where data is stored, when the app will be deleted etc etc. Don't bring conspiracies to this, it's a simple tracing app which you can easily turn off if you want to go dogging or whatever other crime floats your boat.

It's clear we won't find enough willing participants in either the UK, or even Australia which is pretty ridiculous considering its only being touted to give us back our freedoms.
 
Why didn't the government roll out massive testing earlier? Testing on a massive scale has been demonstrated to be key in getting on top of the virus. Remember all those testing targets that were set early on and not met. fudging incompetent bunch of amateurs they are.
 
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Robspur12 said:
But it's death rate is many times greater than its neighbouring Scandinavian countries who took more strict measures.. Plus it has introduced a number social distancing measures.
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No rules at all. And only closures where people are being silly.

They've clearly found the answer we were trying to get to.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
Why didn't the government roll out massive testing earlier? Testing on a massive scale has been demonstrated to be key in getting on top of the virus. Remember all those testing targets that were set early on and not met. fudging incompetent bunch amateurs they are.
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Because we didn't have the infrastructure, the capability, the consumables or the equipment.

We had to find it all from scratch.
 
scaramanga said:
Because we didn't have the infrastructure, the capability, the consumables or the equipment.

We had to find it all from scratch.
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Err... so that would be down to more Tory cuts on the NHS and their bumbling incompetence then wouldn't it? That clam Johnson really has some front, his party have done nothing but undermine the NHS and there he was lauding it and the lectern with the protect the NHS message. fudging hypocrite!
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
Err... so that would be down to more Tory cuts on the NHS and their bumbling incompetence then wouldn't it? That clam Johnson really has some front, his party have done nothing but undermine the NHS and there he was lauding it and the lectern with the protect the NHS message. fudging hypocrite!
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No. Mainly down to the fact that we have an archaic form of healthcare system that has to be judged by a half-witted electorate rather than a modern one judged by educated investors.

Insurance based healthcare systems place a lot of value on preventative testing and monitoring. Not only because it saves in the long run, but also because it enables them to discount any damaging behaviour, like smoking or being a fat clam.

So, unsurprisingly, better and more modern types of healthcare system are used to extensive testing and monitoring. They also tend to have more and better equipment.
 
Mikey10 said:
There’s at least an even chance that we will have a vaccine and therapeutic treatments by this time next year, if not before. So this stage is all about buying time. There is no inevitability about the virus rampaging through society, and there is every chance that we will ease in and out of strict lockdowns until the vaccine and/or treatments do arrive.

In some respects, the government can do what it wants re lifting restrictions. Until they prove they have actually got a German, Kiwi or South Korean hold of the situation then the public will probably emerge from home only when they absolutely have to.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...staurants-opinium-poll?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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If the Vaccine is a year away then I believe there is every chance this spikes again due to the contagious nature. Tracing is great 100% but is it full proof? Seems it works effectively with the backing of a lockdown which Germany for example is still under, does it work as effectively to keep the numbers down as they slowly return to normality? Only time will tell.

The fact is preventative is the key word, everyone has to work bloody hard to keep the numbers down till they find a vaccine, we are 4 months into this globally and if you are correct we have another 12 months of living with this highly contagious virus, I think it’s hugely optimistic to think everyone is going to be able to navigate that 12 months without seeing a lot more carnage, for me it just stands to reasons
 
scaramanga said:
No. Mainly down to the fact that we have an archaic form of healthcare system that has to be judged by a half-witted electorate rather than a modern one judged by educated investors.

Insurance based healthcare systems place a lot of value on preventative testing and monitoring. Not only because it saves in the long run, but also because it enables them to discount any damaging behaviour, like smoking or being a fat clam.

So, unsurprisingly, better and more modern types of healthcare system are used to extensive testing and monitoring. They also tend to have more and better equipment.
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Sorry, are you genuinely trying to say that a private, insurance-based system delivers better preventative testing and monitoring/healthcare? As for your "parameters" I trust you include drinkers?
 
Grays_1890 said:
If the Vaccine is a year away then I believe there is every chance this spikes again due to the contagious nature. Tracing is great 400% but is it full proof? Seems it works effectively with the backing of a lockdown which Germany for example is still under, does it work as effectively to keep the numbers down as they slowly return to normality? Only time will tell.

The fact is preventative is the key word, everyone has to work bloody hard to keep the numbers down till they find a vaccine, we are 4 months into this globally and if you are correct we have another 12 months of living with this highly contagious virus, I think it’s hugely optimistic to think everyone is going to be able to navigate that 12 months without seeing a lot more carnage, for me it just stands to reasons
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Fingers crossed that the Jenner Institute’s ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine will be ready for rollout in September

https://twitter.com/x/status/1256178252613332992

Seems they had a head start, as trials of their MERS coronavirus vaccine started last year

https://twitter.com/x/status/1251832948220887040
 
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