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Gilzeantoscore said:
Err... so that would be down to more Tory cuts on the NHS and their bumbling incompetence then wouldn't it? That clam Johnson really has some front, his party have done nothing but undermine the NHS and there he was lauding it and the lectern with the protect the NHS message. fudging hypocrite!
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Sounds like you know the answer you want to hear. Or rather shout at anybody and into every area.
It's laughably pitiful to read but it's insightful to observe. Please continue.
 
The success of the contact tracing is that everybody acquiesces. Problem is there are some legitimate concerns about the use of our data by a govt run by Vote Leave folk who were incredibly innovative with the use of people's personal data. Although conceptually I see the need for it I am a little concerned now and I imagine many others might feel the same.
 
LutonSpurs said:
The success of the contact tracing is that everybody acquiesces. Problem is there are some legitimate concerns about the use of our data by a govt run by Vote Leave folk who were incredibly innovative with the use of people's personal data. Although conceptually I see the need for it I am a little concerned now and I imagine many others might feel the same.
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I agree with all the above.
Unfortunately we have been on a path to minimal privacy for a couple of decades under the guise of "opt in consent". Whilst in reality you could opt out of most/all, to do so would effectively be a hermit. To be a part of "normal" society, such privacy can no longer exist.
We are just heading towards the inevitable.
 
monkeybarry said:
I agree with all the above.
Unfortunately we have been on a path to minimal privacy for a couple of decades under the guise of "opt in consent". Whilst in reality you could opt out of most/all, to do so would effectively be a hermit. To be a part of "normal" society, such privacy can no longer exist.
We are just heading towards the inevitable.
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For me like Scara said yesterday you weigh up the benefits against the loss and make your decision from there like you do mobile devises.

For me I am not “that” bothered, I value my privacy hugely but more privacy in terms of my home, my family, details of my life that are personal to me that I care about. Am I bothered that the government might know that one day I’m in Croydon and the next in London by a devise? I’m not sure, it’s not information that is so private to me to care. I’m not saying that is all they would glean but there is a line on privacy I care about and don’t
 
So the same people slamming lack of bed in NHS are now moaning that the Nightingale hospital was a waste of space because the way the Government handled the curve it was actually not used to anywhere near capacity.

I think people are so hyped up to moan at every turn they confuse themselves sometimes.
 
Grays_1890 said:
So the same people slamming lack of bed in NHS are now moaning that the Nightingale hospital was a waste of space because the way the Government handled the curve it was actually not used to anywhere near capacity.

I think people are so hyped up to moan at every turn they confuse themselves sometimes.
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How do you know it’s the same people?
 
LutonSpurs said:
no, but for some of us who value our privacy but also value the idea that we need to get through this pandemic it is a bit of a quandry in temrs of whether we be good citizens or say eff off.
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Its the same quandary people face with being told to stay home, the march today proves people think that’s against their “rights”

For me I keep being asked why I keep saying that this isn’t over like I’m trying to politically point score but human nature is the reason I don’t believe we are out of the woods globally by any stretch. If you take mans inability to follow guidelines a loosening of the lockdown rules and the contagious nature of the virus I think it all points to a long long fight.

It’s like now not all the cases we see today are from pre lock down it’s been too long, there will be undoubtedly cases that stem during lockdown from people flouting the rules, this are not all key workers without PPE cases, no way.

I was in Croydon town centre the other bank holiday doing food shopping and it was like any other bank holidays

The apps are only going to be as good as the info people put in, it’s no way full proof either.

No doubt it’s a help but as I say it works in collaboration with the lockdown as there is less data to process and the network of traces is less than if people are back out of lockdown.
 
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LutonSpurs said:
no, but for some of us who value our privacy but also value the idea that we need to get through this pandemic it is a bit of a quandry in temrs of whether we be good citizens or say eff off.
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If I genuinely believed this would only ever be used for the current situation it would also be a tough choice for me. However, I don't believe that for a second - no matter how much the govt try and tell us so.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Serious question Scara:

If this virus predominantly killed 0-10 year olds would you poo poo the app?
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Yes.

It would be a more difficult question - the worth of a child (long term) to society is clearly far more than that of the old and infirm. But they're the ones that would have to spend their entire lives without privacy from the govt and I think they'd be better off free.
 
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