Contingency planning : If Ange is sacked, who should replace him?

[Robspur12]

But there are extenuating circumstances with injuries.

He lost to Palace and Ipswich, both of whom were, at the time, on a run of poor form, before the injury crisis started.

 

[Mrs Vert]

He'll likely be the next one a bigger club takes a chance on, last two clubs he's done well

Wiki view -> Iraola favours a 4–3–3/4–3–2–1 formation with a focus on quick ball recoveries. With quick wingers, tireless midfield runners and a defensive midfielder who tends to drop deep when building from the back when the full-backs push forward

Is this the part Ange refuses to do or we don't have anyone who does it, or this gameplay isn't something Ange will ever do? Genuinely don't know, if someone could spread a bit of light

 

[Mrs Vert]

Conte and Jose were top notch managers but not backed. Ange is a complete fool who has signed 14 players. I accept that under this ownership we will never win anything, but Ange is making us into a laughing stock. Managers from lesser clubs can't wait to play us because we are so predictable. Despite what the players say publicly they know full well his tactics are better suited for the school playground

I feel like all the opposition team talks and prep time won't have to take long to study how to beat us:

They Don't mark far post.
Time your runs and or long ball over top
We will have 20 chances to score....just take them.
(I won't write anymore)

I am still Ange in (just) and will definitely want him to see out the season. Then take it from there. But I don't see us winning any cups this season

 

[Finney Is Back]

Just like Ange in his first season then. Even if that doomsday scenario is true, would work out perfectly for the cycle - Hype up the manager for being great in first season and a breath of fresh air with no real focus beyond the league, then back to reality second season when we are juggling Europe and we realise this guy too isn't the messiah who has naff all experience juggling European football and belittle his managerial achievements that don't stem beyond winning the Cypriot Cup. Bump the Contingency planning thread and start suggesting the next set of managers who look much better than our current manager without having the same pressure or game volume to contend with. Rinse and repeat....

Yup…. We have gone into a season in which we are likely to be playing a dozen or so additional games compared to last season with a smaller squad of first team ready ready players. We then wonder why we’re struggling, especially in weeks when we have two games to play.

 

[Finney Is Back]

He lost to Palace and Ipswich, both of whom were, at the time, on a run of poor form, before the injury crisis started.

I think both after we’d played midweek and they hadn’t? It’s pretty clear to me that we simply haven’t got a big enough squad of PL ready players. We’re shorter on players than last season despite likely having 20 to 25 percent more games to play.

 

[DeanoAustin]

He lost to Palace and Ipswich, both of whom were, at the time, on a run of poor form, before the injury crisis started.

Fair comment. I think it is hard to make a case that he isn’t underachieving even with what he has. But the level of underachievement isn’t enough for him to be sacked at this point for me.

 

[harr1984]

I think both after we’d played midweek and they hadn’t? It’s pretty clear to me that we simply haven’t got a big enough squad of PL ready players. We’re shorter on players than last season despite likely having 20 to 25 percent more games to play.

Agree, why someone like Hojberg was underappreciated on here annd would still be handy to have now. Always fit despite being flogged to death, good experienced head and a decent player.

People talk about what a good squad we have but I really think we don't. People are overestimating many players based on their potential rather than what they are right now, how many real quality players do we have at the present? Not many at all, and we need to invest in a couple of experienced quality players (especially CM) in order to supplement all these young guys.....

 

[metalgear]

This squad is good, just that anges insists in playing his way regardless of injuries

 

[harr1984]

This squad is good, just that anges insists in playing his way regardless of injuries

It's not that great. Our first choice RB can't defend, Romero has always been and always is rash, VDV is good overall with his pace but actually has been exposed as not a great defender, Udogie has great potential, our CMs are all good at something but none of them are that good overall and definitely could do with some real quality there, our forwards especially wide areas are meh.

Caveat that with many are young and can/will improve but talking about where we are right now. Solanke is a good signing and we need similar profile signings in other areas. Kulu is our only real top quality by player....

 

[Kompakted]

Conte and Jose were top notch managers but not backed. Ange is a complete fool who has signed 14 players. I accept that under this ownership we will never win anything, but Ange is making us into a laughing stock. Managers from lesser clubs can't wait to play us because we are so predictable. Despite what the players say publicly they know full well his tactics are better suited for the school playground

I do have an issue with

I don't know what qualifies as a 'nice chunk' but according to transfermarkt, Mourinho got Bergwijn for 30m when he arrived and in the only summer transfer window he spent at the club, he signed for 110m of players (minus 13m he recouped from selling). In my opinion, he got the short straw but he's partly responsible for his own predicament since he claimed he could win things with the squad he had.

Conte signed Betancur and Kulusevski in his first winter window for 29m, then he spent 179m in 22/23 (though he recouped 38m, mostly through Bergwijn's sale apparently).

I'd say the main difference is that both Conte and Mourinho had Kane in their squad, but I think they've got a case for being poorly backed in the transfer market - even more so if you consider that the Premier League is much more competitive and expensive than the Serie A, for instance.

Seem to remember we went on a right spree in Mourinho's only summer window. The Bale deal was only a loan but loan fee and wages wise was probably equivalent to a £50-60m deal for the club. We signed the last from Benfica for a heafty loan deal too as a back up striker. There was clearly a bit of Bale being a club signing as he never played him so I think that's more the argument around backing than the financial aspect but then all clubs do those kind or signings over the head coaches head - could the club really have turned down the opportunity to sign Bale? Such a shame we didn't get to see that front 3 regularly.

 

[Baleforce]

Selling PEH and Royal were mistakes imo, two solid players who can defend.

 

[johnola]

He lost to Palace and Ipswich, both of whom were, at the time, on a run of poor form, before the injury crisis started.

It’s we. We lost.

And if you wish to be excluded it is they, Ange, the team, the club and the supporters.

 

[Robspur12]

Agree, why someone like Hojberg was underappreciated on here annd would still be handy to have now. Always fit despite being flogged to death, good experienced head and a decent player.

People talk about what a good squad we have but I really think we don't. People are overestimating many players based on their potential rather than what they are right now, how many real quality players do we have at the present? Not many at all, and we need to invest in a couple of experienced quality players (especially CM) in order to supplement all these young guys.....

Agree on Hojbjerg. I think he is a decent player.

I am one of the few who think we have a decent squad, not a title winning one but at least as good as Villa who finished top 4 last season and at least as good as Forest, and better than Bournemouth both of whom are above us. Imo a top 5 squad if managed cleverly.

We are missing in a few areas for sure, can't believe we didn't have 4 CBs to start the season, we need a better keeper than Vic imho. A striker option alongside Solanke. But most of all we are missing a special game changing player a Kane, Bale, Berba or Modric.

On the other hand though, Ange has good options in Midfield and FBs, decent CBs, a very good striker in Solanke. In fact more options than most managers in our recent history.

Yes we have injuries, but it appears that, under Ange, we will always have a lot of injuries. We had a similar"crisis" last season.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Agree on Hojbjerg. I think he is a decent player.

I am one of the few who think we have a decent squad, not a title winning one but at least as good as Villa who finished top 4 last season and at least as good as Forest, and better than Bournemouth both of whom are above us. Imo a top 5 squad if managed cleverly.

We are missing in a few areas for sure, can't believe we didn't have 4 CBs to start the season, we need a better keeper than Vic imho. A striker option alongside Solanke. But most of all we are missing a special game changing player a Kane, Bale, Berba or Modric.

On the other hand though, Ange has good options in Midfield and FBs, decent CBs, a very good striker in Solanke. In fact more options than most managers in our recent history.

Yes we have injuries, but it appears that, under Ange, we will always have a lot of injuries. We had a similar"crisis" last season.

We have a decent squad 100%
But the issue is the injuries are in the same positions
That’s what starches you
Look at Sonny today again… utter gash
I assume it’s fatigue because I don’t pro footballer is that bad with the ball and that weak off it. But the alternative is Werner or no one

 

[harr1984]

Agree on Hojbjerg. I think he is a decent player.

I am one of the few who think we have a decent squad, not a title winning one but at least as good as Villa who finished top 4 last season and at least as good as Forest, and better than Bournemouth both of whom are above us. Imo a top 5 squad if managed cleverly.

We are missing in a few areas for sure, can't believe we didn't have 4 CBs to start the season, we need a better keeper than Vic imho. A striker option alongside Solanke. But most of all we are missing a special game changing player a Kane, Bale, Berba or Modric.

On the other hand though, Ange has good options in Midfield and FBs, decent CBs, a very good striker in Solanke. In fact more options than most managers in our recent history.

Yes we have injuries, but it appears that, under Ange, we will always have a lot of injuries. We had a similar"crisis" last season.

That's fair enough, we are all going to see player abilities differently and our perception of 'decent' etc different. But for me, our defence is ok, our CM area is lacking with none of them being anything special in an area that is so crucial I think we need proper investment there (and Gray, Bergvall and Sarr could all easily develop into a very good level but I'm referring to the right now) and our forward options bar Solanke are very average - Son has lost it, Johnson is the only one who can put in good numbers with Goals and Assists yet according to many he isnt good enough. Hopefully Moore and Odobert can step up in this area.

But to me we have a lot of 7/10 players at best and especially when factoring injuries I don't see this as a squad who can compete in Europe and other cups along with the league. You refer to the Villa squad last season but they were playing in the Conference cup and had the luxury of playing almost a different eleven for that competition(along with having nowhere near the injury crisis we had) - their squad was not tested anywhere near what ours has been, and if it was they would not be anywhere near top 4 just as our isn't....

 

[Stiff_Swede]

Thomas Frank.

Judging from interviews most intelligent manager in the PL.
Flexible! Favorite formation is 4-3-3 but plays a back three if he thinks it is the best with the personell he has available.

I think some thinks he is a defensive manager but I just thinks he plays with what he have to get points.

 

[Daveeeeeeeed]

Honestly, not sure who would come to this clownshow under Levy. We are an entertaining club for sure, and even Ange said he watched when Conte had his interview and was then sacked.

I think managers will think twice about coming to us as they know they have a window of what 18 months maximum until they are pretty much sacked? Thomas Frank has it all at Brentford, and I ask a serious question why would he come to Spurs?

I say that for any manager in the premier league now, yes we have money, yes we have a stadium, but we do put a bit of a stain on peoples CV's, yet they do go on to manage other clubs, and successfully I guess.

 

[Muttley]

Thomas Frank.

Judging from interviews most intelligent manager in the PL.
Flexible! Favorite formation is 4-3-3 but plays a back three if he thinks it is the best with the personell he has available.

I think some thinks he is a defensive manager but I just thinks he plays with what he have to get points.

Honestly, not sure who would come to this clownshow under Levy. We are an entertaining club for sure, and even Ange said he watched when Conte had his interview and was then sacked.

I think managers will think twice about coming to us as they know they have a window of what 18 months maximum until they are pretty much sacked? Thomas Frank has it all at Brentford, and I ask a serious question why would he come to Spurs?

I say that for any manager in the premier league now, yes we have money, yes we have a stadium, but we do put a bit of a stain on peoples CV's, yet they do go on to manage other clubs, and successfully I guess.

I think Frank would be a bad choice because of the way we've developed the squad over 3-4 seasons. We actually do have some front foot, progressive footballers and need a 1st team coach that plays to their strengths. Otherwise, the squad would need to be in major surgery once more and that will be painful.

Even Ange isn't playing to their strengths, even though he plays quite attractive football.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Thomas Frank.

Judging from interviews most intelligent manager in the PL.
Flexible! Favorite formation is 4-3-3 but plays a back three if he thinks it is the best with the personell he has available.

I think some thinks he is a defensive manager but I just thinks he plays with what he have to get points.

Frank is a classy bloke
But I don’t think he is a good fit for an attacking side
His football is Nuno esque
He is doing really well at a club that suits him and vice versa

 

[thfcsteff]

Honestly, not sure who would come to this clownshow under Levy. We are an entertaining club for sure, and even Ange said he watched when Conte had his interview and was then sacked.

I think managers will think twice about coming to us as they know they have a window of what 18 months maximum until they are pretty much sacked? Thomas Frank has it all at Brentford, and I ask a serious question why would he come to Spurs?

I say that for any manager in the premier league now, yes we have money, yes we have a stadium, but we do put a bit of a stain on peoples CV's, yet they do go on to manage other clubs, and successfully I guess.

Exactly.