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Carlyle takeover, was Cain Hoy takeover

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Guggenheim has turned the Dodgers into the highest payrolled team in baseball in about two years. They are very very competitive now. Could be very good for us in a similar fashion to Henry taking over Liverpool after his experience with the Red Sox.

They have sadly. I hate them. Living in SF what a surprise! Arrogant, ****y ****ers...
 
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The question is where do the fans fit in? What's our value in the 1bn?

Ultimately we are the consumers and it is our commitment to the club that gives it the value and return. It works when it is selling a conventional product but what other business has such brand loyalty?

My opinion is that British based fans are taken for granted, season tickets all sold out with a waiting list, the market here is saturated....no growth is possible without a bigger stadium. This is coming but what further growth is there? A 80,000 seat stadium?

Growth abroad is from TV money, without world class players how do to we inspire 13 y/o American or Chinese kids buy into a club identity? The next question is how loyal will they be?




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Nowhere. You could make the same argument about a company which makes designed handbags or baked beans - without customers, not business is worth mcuh/anything
 
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fans (customers) come in many forms, there's a lot of income from the foreign based fan these days via merch and TV subs

the game attending fan has never been less important to a club, city and united could play in an empty stadium for a season and the accountants probably wouldn't notice
 
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We shouldn't be majoring on the Guggenheim Partners link, surely?

Unless I've missed something earlier earlier in this thread (apologies, haven't read it since page 2), the Telegraph article said that they are minor investors in Cain Hoy and are not behind this potential bid.
 
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I'd be surprised if Guggenheim weren't behind the Cain Hoy bid as Cain Hoy was the Guggenheim horse racing stables in the 60s.
 
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Telegraph report one of the founders of Cain Hoy, linked to buying Spurs, was involved in their record £1.3BN purchase of LA Dodgers
 
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How about setting up a new Ltd company to own and manage the stadium with the existing company as the parent? The new stadium is probably going to be multi purpose to an extent, so a much larger operational team will be needed to win business from promoters and run the events. Investment could be in the stadium operator.
Possible but I cannot see ENIC splitting ownership of the club and the stadium.
 
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One of the founders of the company that has made a preliminary approach to buy Tottenham Hotspur helped to push through a record £1.3 billion purchase of the LA Dodgers baseball team.

Telegraph Sport exclusively revealed on Thursday evening that Cain Hoy Enterprises had registered an interest in launching a takeover bid for Spurs on behalf of a group of United States businessmen.

Cain Hoy confirmed its interest in a statement on Thursday afternoon and now has until Oct 10 to make a firm bid or pull out.

Jonathan Goldstein, a London-born and lifelong Tottenham supporter and season ticket holder, is leading the Cain Hoy approach in his role as head of European investment, while Henry Silverman is chief executive of the firm. It has now emerged that one of the three named founders of Cain Hoy is Todd Boehly, who is a co-owner of the LA Dodgers following a 2012 record buy-out.

Boehly is president of Guggenheim Capital, which made a minority investment in Cain Hoy and which Goldstein and Silverman used to work for. Guggenheim is not behind the interest in Tottenham

Goldstein and Silverman are not connected to the Dodgers, but Boehly is part of Guggenheim Baseball Management which outbid Arsenal majority shareholder Stan Kroenke to secure ownership of the club.

Boehly and his Guggenheim group paid £1.3 billion for the Dodgers, which comfortably beat the Kroenke bid that was thought to be about £900  million. It also dwarfed the previous record sum paid for an American sports team, set when the Miami Dolphins were sold for £680 million in 2009.

The Glazer family took over Manchester United in 2005 in a deal valued at £790  million. The previous record for a baseball franchise was the £520 million the Ricketts family paid for the Chicago Cubs in 2009. Boehly and his co-owners did not stop spending at the point of purchase with the Dodgers. In one weekend, they committed £123 million to buying two pitchers.

Since the involvement of Boehly and his partners, including basketball legend Magic Johnson, the Dodgers have won the 2013 West Division title.

Cain Hoy is yet to give any clues as to whether it can, or will, get close to the level of spending of Boehly’s Dodgers consortium or the £1 billion at which Tottenham owner Joe Lewis is thought to value the club, together with the new stadium development.

But Boehly’s involvement underlines Cain Hoy’s insistence that its interest in Spurs is serious and confirms to supporters that there is sports ownership experience within the company.

It is believed that Goldstein has already spoken with Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy, who would be in charge of any negotiations regarding the sale of the club on behalf of 77-year-old Lewis.

Cain Hoy confirmed it was considering a takeover bid for Spurs in a statement that read: “Cain Hoy confirms that it is at the preliminary stages of assessing a cash offer for Tottenham Hotspur. There can be no certainty that any offer will ultimately be made or at what price any offer might be made. “In accordance with Rule 2.6(a) of the City Code on Takeovers and Mergers, Cain Hoy must, by not later than 5pm on Oct 10, either announce a firm intention to make an offer in accordance or announce that it does not intend to make an offer.

“This deadline will only be extended with the consent of the Takeover Panel. This announcement has been made without the consent of Tottenham Hotspur.”

Tottenham responded by admitting the club had held talks with representatives of Cain Hoy, but insisted they were not in formal takeover negotiations.

The Spurs statement added: “As stated in yesterday’s announcement regarding the new stadium project, THFC has been in discussions with multiple providers of finance and, in the course of those considerations, has met representatives of Cain Hoy. However, there are no ongoing discussions with Cain Hoy. The club is focused on the new stadium development and the season ahead.”
 
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Does anyone remember how many shares were in circulation for Tottenham prior to delisting?
 
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Not sure if this is right.. looking at this page.. https://www.google.co.uk/finance?cid=667853

Market cap is say 8.5m.. share price 40p

8.5m / 40p = 21,250,000 shares

If Lewis values the club at a billion.. that means the share value per share is

1,000,000,000 / 21,250,000 = £47 a share!

Does this look correct!?
 
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The question is where do the fans fit in? What's our value in the 1bn?

Ultimately we are the consumers and it is our commitment to the club that gives it the value and return. It works when it is selling a conventional product but what other business has such brand loyalty?

My opinion is that British based fans are taken for granted, season tickets all sold out with a waiting list, the market here is saturated....no growth is possible without a bigger stadium. This is coming but what further growth is there? A 80,000 seat stadium?

Growth abroad is from TV money, without world class players how do to we inspire 13 y/o American or Chinese kids buy into a club identity? The next question is how loyal will they be?




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The growth is gonna be from clubs selling rights to games on the internet.
Live television is one of the few thing people are continuing to pay for and about the only thing you can stick adverts on these days.
 
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I vaguely remember 96 million for the number of shares. There was also some financial jiggery-pokery involving preference shares and the club were buying back shares at some point.

Edit: going back to a purchase in 2008 there were about 93 million ordinary shares: "ENIC International Limited is the owner of 66,186,990 ordinary shares, representing 71.3 per cent of the issued ordinary share capital of the Company" (link). There may also have been some preference shares that were later converted to ordinary shares at a rate of 1,562 Ordinary Shares per Preference Share.
 
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Boehly is part of Guggenheim Baseball Management which outbid Arsenal majority shareholder Stan Kroenke to secure ownership

Boehly and his co-owners did not stop spending at the point of purchase with the Dodgers. In one weekend, they committed £123 million to buying two pitchers.

Since the involvement of Boehly and his partners, including basketball legend Magic Johnson, the Dodgers have won the 2013 West Division title.

I like this guys form :)

Does this jeopardise our special relationship with the San Jose Earthquakes Soccer FC? And what about our special relationship with Real Madrid?
 
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Guggenheim has turned the Dodgers into the highest payrolled team in baseball in about two years. They are very very competitive now. Could be very good for us in a similar fashion to Henry taking over Liverpool after his experience with the Red Sox.

At last, a chance to dream. Will probably go tits up, this 'approach', but once can but hope.
 
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I vaguely remember 96 million for the number of shares. There was also some financial jiggery-pokery involving preference shares and the club were buying back shares at some point.

Edit: going back to a purchase in 2008 there were about 93 million ordinary shares: "ENIC International Limited is the owner of 66,186,990 ordinary shares, representing 71.3 per cent of the issued ordinary share capital of the Company" (link). There may also have been some preference shares that were later converted to ordinary shares at a rate of 1,562 Ordinary Shares per Preference Share.

Did a little digging...

Looks like in 2011 there was 213,000,000 shares

Therefore 1,000,000,000 / 213,000,000 = £4.69 a share.

When the club delisted the shares value were 40p.

213,000,000. x 0.40p = £85,200,000m
 
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Did a little digging...

Looks like in 2011 there was 213,000,000 shares

Therefore 1,000,000,000 / 213,000,000 = £4.69 a share.

When the club delisted the shares value were 40p.

213,000,000. x 0.40p = £85,200,000m

If I remember correctly, when Spurs were first floated on the Stock Exchange 1983, there were 100m issued shares. There were two subsequent share issues in the 90's, during Sugar's time at the helm (one to help pay off the debt from the Irving Scholar years; the other to fund the new Paxton Road stand). Subsequently, there was the CRP share issue in 2004 and a share placement in 2009. All of which meant far more issued shares in the company than when it first floated. Hence the discrepancy in your figures and jts's. It should also be remembered that, at various times, THFC bought back shares, thereby reducing the number of issued shares.

Since your 2011 figures, though, ENIC invested a further £40m in Spurs earlier this year. It might initially have been in the form of an interest free loan but, if so, you can be sure that it will be converted into equity at some point. What that will take the number of issued shares to, I have no idea.

As to the value of the shares, I wouldn't give too much weight to the AIM valuation. A number of reasons why that wouldn't have been anything like a true reflection of Spurs' worth.
 
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