Maybe because you've worked with them recently and you know their violent past, including home invasion where they held a woman at gunpoint whilst they robbed her and then beat her with the gun in front of her infant child.
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Black Lives Matter
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Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
Yes, of course, many will.
But I don't believe "I can't breathe" is such a frequent response from someone being handcuffed and handled- resisting - into a police car to the extent it should be ignored and then exacerbated by kneeling on that person's neck for a prolonged period.
I've seen "I'm dying" a few times.
I suspect police that work in neighbourhoods with heavy drug use hear it a lot more than others too.
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
He served five years in prison for that and upon release moved to a new place to rebuild his life. He worked within his local community including youngsters to promote peace and keep them away from gangs. Do I have to do your homework for you Scara?
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
Andy why does it take three men exerting around 500lbs of pressure on his back when he is clearly subdued and desperately asking for help. When a grown man is pleading for his mum something has gone seriously awry in restraint protocol.
Anyway, both the official and independent reports have ruled it as a homicide. Let's hope justice is served but as has been the case far too often in these situations, I feel it won't.
If I were in the position of someone arresting him and knowing his past, I wouldn't give a fudge about what he's done since. I'd be aware that he was a person capable of extreme violence and would absolutely make sure he couldn't get up and do me or my team any damage.
I suspect the fact that he was claiming not to be able to breathe whilst still stood up is likely to play out in court as negligence rather than active killing.
It will probably depend on what time the ambulance was called at. If it was called early and the policeman can claim to have been restraining him until it turned up then he'll probably walk. If they didn't call it until he was unconscious or dead then he probably will be found guilty.
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
You need to watch the video Steff posted earlier, the NY Times reconstruction article. It will help answer some questions you may have.
I don't have any - I know how I would react. I wouldn't kneel on someone's neck for 10 minutes but I'd be absolutely sure they couldn't stand up if they tried.
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
If history is anything to go by, he'll walk. There will be more large-scale uprisings, more fatalities and then we rinse and repeat a few years down the line. I wish I could be less cynical and I truly hope I'm wrong.
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
If you're not willing to do your homework then don't call others out for the same, especially when the narrative you are desperately holding onto has been quashed.
But all in the interest of 'our side' I'm sure.
The only narrative I've been holding onto is to wait for the facts. Twitter isn't a substitute for facts.
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
I absolutely agree.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
I worked and lived there in the late 70's early 80's great country with a lot of great people, but it does have problems with race and its not just white on black. There are areas and bars you should not go to; Mexican, Black, White, Redneck and if you do it can get real nasty.
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
Yeh I was in America for work and was warned off areas for being white. But I do believe thats down to the years of them being oppressed by whites there is a deep routed hate.
Thats why in an earlier post I believe they need a figure head to educate and also trust. A black figure who has made good in America which shows you can make it, thats why I would love someone like Obama to say "look if this country was beyond repair I would not make it" although that message might be lost because Trump made it too ha.
But there does need to be education on all sides. Black communities need educating, thats not because its there fault but because there needs to be a way forward for them and one to understand which they probably can't see in certain communities where the B versus W tension is higher than others. Education that killing each other, guns and drugs is not the way forward which does without doubt add to all of this as one of the cogs in the bigger engine of prejudice.
I will give an example of a story to try and give light to explain what I mean.
My dad lives in a almost village up from Tilbury in Essex, has all his life, gas fitter for his life, never left the area, staunch Labour voter. About 25+ odd years ago I was in a pub with him watching the football when this Arsenal fan was going "this n**gger this, this n*gger that" when my dad pulled him up and said "Ian Wrights black I have seen you cheer him on in here, Kevin Campbell is Black, Rocastle is black" etc etc, the guy was like "thats different". The convo got our of hand and my dad dinged him one...My dad hatted racism, hatted it, from then on I would take notice all the time when he got upset hearing people slag off black people etc, in our area it was rife, I would say it was a hugely white area. I was at School with one mixed race kid in the whole years, thats an example.
Anyway fast forward to say the Olympics Stratford paid families and companies to move down the train line so to speak to the Essex towns of Rainham, Purfleet, Grays etc, all the towns where their money went further but was within say 30 mins of London, perfect. When that happened the demographic of Grays changed so much so quickly that people who had never ever experienced a culture change were suddenly exposed to a new way of living, now you had your deep routed racists like I mentioned before but also those that saw things change so quickly that they became another kind of racism which was in my opinion not about hate but about change and also about a lack of education in people that knew no different of why and who and what. And I saw that change in my dad, the man who earlier was a fighter for equality who hated the N word and would cringe when it was on a film, but I don't think he is racist in the same sense, and he does not speak in any way shape form in that way but there is an obvious view not as bad as prejudice that you can see in him and others.
The reason I wanted to tell that story is that I am not blind to obvious racism here but there is also some that comes down to a lack of education and knowledge, comes down to a lack of exposure, my dads less exposed to it than he would have been growing up in Croydon and I am more exposed as I have travelled.
Thats why for me education works, taking a step back from the noise and false news and fury if people can, I get its tense, but work towards whats really needed to solve the issue and thats on both sides.
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parklane1
Tony Galvin
I can no disagree with you over that, but as you say its so ingrained into their society and it changes from state to state. Part of the problem is that many of those who make judgements on America fail to relise that its such a huge change from state to state and its beyond their opinions.
Its like living in a different country when you travel from state to state and the laws differ so much. They really are a insulated country and not sure what the number is now but when i was there the number of Americans who held passports was only 10% ( and that included the forces).
I am sure that number has risen over the years but not by much i reckon. As i say a great country and there is so much to see i understand that a lot of Americans see no reason to go anywhere else.
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
Yeh I agree I mentioned that the other day about Alabama, some states are so far removed for them its a huge change.
I look at Americas culture and theirs is relatively young when you consider they pretty much finished wiping out the Indians in the late 1800s so they are so far behind the curve than anyone on this issue.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
I posted before you edited you post but you are spot on about education and knowledge of what you have never seen before. We moved to Norfolk back in the early 80's and were house hunting. Before then we had lived in a lot of countrys and places in England and different cultures.
Blew us away when we were looking at houses and what some of the owners said to us. They were proud of the new harbour but also a few of them said " we also do not have a lot of blacks living in the area". We were amazed at that attitude but it was true.