He said all 11 were selfish. Not sure how the players are going to take that. Especially as many will be off on international duty now. Their international team mates asking about it. A week to think and wonder about it.
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Antonio Conte - officially NOT the coach of THFC
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He said all 11 were selfish. Not sure how the players are going to take that. Especially as many will be off on international duty now. Their international team mates asking about it. A week to think and wonder about it.
metalgear
Luka Modric
Having a clear threat puts the opposition team on the back foot and helps by discouraging them from throwing bodies forward.
And when they do, a fast counter attack is always a way to punish them.
Or let's assume that Conte isn't as stupid or ignorant as fans make him out to be. what do you think is holding conte back from reverting to a proven formula? i mean all the discussion here is about turgid football under Conte but we all know he's done so much better with other teams. There must be a Spurs factor but what is it?
Tbh i think some of it is a nervousness.
Lack of trust in the defence, which means the team sits too deep at times.
We don't transition quickly enough.
Kane and kulu not being the fastest also slows down the counter.
Son going to pot this season. Losing confidence.
Injuries haven't helped either.
Conte seems to do really long video analysis. Which is easier to handle in a one game a week but is crammed in 2.
Players just not enjoying it. The last 10 games conte has been there for games. We've won 3, drawn 2, lost 5.
metalgear
Luka Modric
agree with everything here except that we did play faster last season. a lot more risk taking and losing the ball in attack and utilising Son's strengths.
shame with injuries especially when players seem to be hitting form (romero, royal,skipp, richarlison) - must have put a dent in conte's plans.
The defence was better last season aswell. Lloris did well enough to get a 2 year contract extension. We've already conceded the same amount of goals as we did for the whole of last season.
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
Has he really done so much better with other teams? I don't have the stats from his Juve and Sienna years, but the titles he won with Chelsea and Inter were more the result of having been lucky than having set up a team that outperformed other teams week in and week out.
In my opinion, Conte is a great manager when all the stars align for him. I think with Spurs he has been found out. Watch his next couple of managerial appointments and mark my words. If he doesn't take over a team with unlimited cash, he is not going to win another title.
Juve hadn't won the league in a decade and finished midtable before he took them over. Inter hadn't won the league in 9 years. Bari were in relegation places in serie b. He kept them up and promoted them the next season. He is undoubtedly a good manager. But it's not working as he says.
thfcsteff
George Hunt
Agreed, but in which case, step up and speak out then!
thfcsteff
George Hunt
Allow me.
It's because he's showing his arse-covering coward skills now.
I expected this 'brave and bold Antonio' to speak up the moment he got nothing he wanted. Until the World Cup break, he'd done nothing but say he was happy with the squad/players and that he understood the way the club operated. Again, whether people are happy with ENIC or not isn't the debate when we're talking about Conte's rant. We're looking at his rant (calculated BTW) and the ONLY conclusion to draw is that it was cowardly. Which dovetails with this reported 'backpedaling'. Seriously, what a clown shoe!
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
His rant criticising the owners is surely bound to be written into his contract as a sackable offence, meaning he risks forfeiting his pay-off.
Hence the backpedalling.
Hence the backpedalling.
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
Means late night and tired brain
.Unlike some of our star players over the years he hasn't downed tools and forced the clubs hand into letting him go.
Personally I genuinely think he wasn’t trying to criticise the owners. He was saying that in the last 20 years the fans/media always blame the owners and the managers, but never the players. And that it’s the same now.
And I genuinely think he was saying all of this as a last ditch attempt to change the mentality of the team. Leadership by provocation and challenge, tough love etc.
I don’t agree with his assessment, and as an attempt to motivate the players I don’t think it’ll work. But I honestly think it was an attempted nuclear option to change the team’s mentality, nothing more.
And I genuinely think he was saying all of this as a last ditch attempt to change the mentality of the team. Leadership by provocation and challenge, tough love etc.
I don’t agree with his assessment, and as an attempt to motivate the players I don’t think it’ll work. But I honestly think it was an attempted nuclear option to change the team’s mentality, nothing more.
demotw
Nicola Berti
Listened to the rant, i dont think Conte is the answer but i do agree with everything he has said. For too long at this club have we down-tooled for a manager, did it under Poch, did it under Mourinho, under Conte etc etc.. There is no other explanation other then the players for the sometimes lazy effort that appears, yet against the likes of city the effort is there.
From day 1 this guy's PR has been the same
1. I'm here to help lowly Tottenham, they should be thankful
2. Gap is sooooo big, I've told club, any success would be a huge achievement, something never done before
3. Any failure is anyone but my fault
To the current situation
- He obviously wants out, part of it seems personal (I sympathize to the extent I can), part of it is probably the realization he isn't good enough
- He wants to get paid out
- His rant probably strayed into some demonstratable firing offense in his contract hence he has to back down to keep the money
The issue is some segment of our fanbase (due to their hate of Levy/ENIC) latch on to every word and don't think for a second
- Spurs today is not the Spurs of Poch, or the Spurs of Harry or the Spurs of Jol or the Spurs of Hoddle. This is why it's hard to have a real conversation about the success/failure of ENIC, it's a club who's position, buying power has changed considerably over the years. Hence it's not relevant to say who we did or didn't buy in a winter for Harry (we have bought Conte -> Bentancur, Deki and Porro in winter windows), so the 20 year comment is flimflam
- Conte has been backed and the squad has been refreshed, his failure to leverage that doesn't change that statement a bit
- Paratichi's buys have been borderline remarkable, I struggle to find one miss (again, to point above, makes long term comparison's hard)
Which comes to the final point that makes all of Conte's points fall down
- If his rant was why we couldn't win a final or the PL, it might stand up
- Fact is his rant was about why a supposedly elite manager can't beat Southampton, Villa, Wolves, Leicester (win those four and we are in 2nd) and Forest, Sheffield in the cups
The guy isn't good enough for this level (perhaps 5 years ago, perhaps in a demonstrably better squad that the opposition, perhaps with "exactly" his squad)
- Poor tactics, constant midfield overrun, playing out of form players for way to long, weird/late/brick subs, 5 at the back and conceding more goals than bottom 6 clubs, slow tedious football, failure to see what is working and stick with, zero development of anyone outside his immediate starting 11, player regression, list goes on.
You can want ENIC out, but this idea that Conte is anything but a fudging failure is hilarious, just imagine if he was managing that Southampton side against us? what would his talk track be?
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
Or maybe he didn’t want to upset the apple cart while it looked like we still might get something out of the season?
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
As I said, I do not have the stats from his Juve days. I'm just looking at those from his Chelsea and Inter days and they don't tell the story of dominant teams, but rather ones with a significant element of luck. But since he is undoubtedly a good manager, as you say, why can't he do with Spurs what he did at Bari or Siena? I doubt he got all the players he wanted there. He had to do with what he had. Maybe if we had gotten the earlier version of Conte, the results would have been different. That was a more adaptable Conte, who may have gotten the best out of this squad. Even the Chelsea Conte adapted. But it seems to me that, after the success he has had, he has become entrenched in his tactics and approach and is unwilling to budge. His success has gotten to his head and that's never a good thing, nor what Spurs need.
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
He’s not going today, is he?
Not going at all it seems
For me its at least a good test on him and the players now, I can't see how its going to work but he created the discontent, interesting to see him try and fix it