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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 86 72.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 32 27.1%

  • Total voters
    118
Nah, not true. These 2 did exactly what the manager instructs them to do. Both were operating as the inverted full-backs because of the system.

See my OMT analysis.

Udogie would've tracked back faster IMO. Bentancur would've read the entire situation better, as Spence had gone on a forage (he lost the ball which led to the fast turnover). Had he been matchfit i.e. more aware, IMO he'd have been 5-10 yards deeper and in a better covering position. I'd also say it had something to do with how little he's played with Spence.

I'd like you to explain how Bentancur was operating as the inverted FB when Spence and Udogie were clearly the FB's/inverted. I saw Bentancur as our '6', which I admit is still not a 6 as we all feel is needed in this side.
 
It's presently 73% in despite the fact we are 11th at Christmas, and have lost 14 out of the last 25 league games. I can't help but wonder what the 73% believe is acceptable?
 
It's presently 73% in despite the fact we are 11th at Christmas, and have lost 14 out of the last 25 league games. I can't help but wonder what the 73% believe is acceptable?
I don't think the form and results are acceptable. I've been one of those critical throughout the season. I remember being told to wait until 10 games had been played before I should be allowed to point out the really obvious flaws. That's just to say I'm no glutton for punishment when it comes to Ange.

I do think that many are (and I do include myself in that) thinking what's the point? If we sack him, who are we going to bring in not as a stop gap but as someone who can build upon the foundations (good ones I do think) that Ange has laid? The next coach has to be someone with similar principles just a bit more realistic and adaptable.

Is there that man out there? If not is there any point sacking Ange to just go on the merry go around management search again? I'd argue no, Ange should at a minimum get to the end of the season really (unless it turns even more disastrous) and then we evaluate how poorly (or well) he's done. That will also give us time to evaluate any new potential coaches and potentially sound them out and hopefully discuss with them their tactical approach and how they would set out this Spurs squad.
 
I don't think the form and results are acceptable. I've been one of those critical throughout the season. I remember being told to wait until 10 games had been played before I should be allowed to point out the really obvious flaws. That's just to say I'm no glutton for punishment when it comes to Ange.

I do think that many are (and I do include myself in that) thinking what's the point? If we sack him, who are we going to bring in not as a stop gap but as someone who can build upon the foundations (good ones I do think) that Ange has laid? The next coach has to be someone with similar principles just a bit more realistic and adaptable.

Is there that man out there? If not is there any point sacking Ange to just go on the merry go around management search again? I'd argue no, Ange should at a minimum get to the end of the season really (unless it turns even more disastrous) and then we evaluate how poorly (or well) he's done. That will also give us time to evaluate any new potential coaches and potentially sound them out and hopefully discuss with them their tactical approach and how they would set out this Spurs squad.

Funny, you have been one of his critics (so fair to that), but do you really think

- If he wins one out of the next 5 (very likely) that there is no damage done?

My big concern is he's going to injure one of Solanke, Deki, Son seriously (overplayed/worked), I also think Gray, Bergvall, Udogie aren't being helped in their development by being constantly hung out to dry ...

- I agree the answer isn't Mason (some other interim), but surely just dead man walking it to end of season is way more damaging than making a change?
 
Our shape as a team is an absolute mess at times and it’s been worse recently. The game at Bournemouth is another that jumps out at me. I remember posting that night to say we were absolutely all over the place shapewise.

I really think Ange is in a very difficult spot here because he’s well and truly hitched himself to one way of playing that’s not working right now and he can’t change. There is no way there aren’t some players in that dressing room thinking “this isn’t working”. I know he’s a c0ckwomble but Pardew said on Sunday “if I’m a defender in that team today, I’m going in to that dressing room and telling the manager I’m not playing in defence for a team that plays like that again.”

While I’m sure none of the players did that, they’d want bulletproof faith in Ange for the thought not to have crossed their minds.
Any reference with Pardew in it is a big no no …. Instant Ban … mods can you help the forum out here please
 
Funny, you have been one of his critics (so fair to that), but do you really think

- If he wins one out of the next 5 (very likely) that there is no damage done?

My big concern is he's going to injure one of Solanke, Deki, Son seriously (overplayed/worked), I also think Gray, Bergvall, Udogie aren't being helped in their development by being constantly hung out to dry ...

- I agree the answer isn't Mason (some other interim), but surely just dead man walking it to end of season is way more damaging than making a change?
Mason being in charge till the Summer doesn't overly bother me, it isn't ideal but, nor is Ange till the summer with these results/not looking like getting Europe again next season.

I could see Mason making us tough to beat at least, which gives us a fighting chance in the cups, can you see Ange going to somewhere like Porto and playing for a sensible result?
 
Mason being in charge till the Summer doesn't overly bother me, it isn't ideal but, nor is Ange till the summer with these results/not looking like getting Europe again next season.

I could see Mason making us tough to beat at least, which gives us a fighting chance in the cups, can you see Ange going to somewhere like Porto and playing for a sensible result?

It would bother me because the wheels didn't fall off this week, we have been struggling for months now.

The structure of the club should have been preparing for this possibility, having to resort to Mason for more than a couple games, would tell us that Munn & Lange aren't being effective.
 
It would bother me because the wheels didn't fall off this week, we have been struggling for months now.

The structure of the club should have been preparing for this possibility, having to resort to Mason for more than a couple games, would tell us that Munn & Lange aren't being effective.
They Could well be, might be talking to managers who want to see the season out first?
 
Marco silva and iriola are good to decent managers that I’ve been impressed with of late and think could work well with the constraints of the club. Any others?
 
So serious question, if we lose against Wolves on a Sunday, which is a real possibility given that they are somewhat of a bogey team for us (who the fudge isn't?!), do you think Ange is gone?

I still am going to be sad if or when the "he's gone" message comes through as I'd like to see what he would do with a full team but I don't think we will get the chance to see it.
 
Actually middle of the table but its something bad like 47 points all year
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01 Arsenal        35 25  7  3 88 25  63 82
02 Liverpool      36 25  7  4 87 42  45 82
03 Mаn City       37 24  7  6 81 39  42 79
04 Chelsea        36 20 10  6 81 53  28 70
05 Newcаstle      37 17  9 11 78 58  20 60
06 Aston Villa    36 15  9 12 59 63  -4 54
07 Bournemouth    37 13 10 13 53 53   0 52
08 Fulham         36 13 12 11 53 49   4 51
09 Man Utd        36 14  9 13 56 55   1 51
10 Tottenham      36 15  5 16 71 58  13 50
11 Nottm Forest   36 14  8 14 49 51  -2 46
12 Crystal Palace 36 11 16 13 53 55  -2 45
13 Brentford      36 12  7 17 62 66  -4 43
14 Brighton       36 10 13 13 44 55 -11 43
15 West Ham       37 10 12 15 50 74 -24 42
16 Wolves         36  9  6 21 49 74 -25 33
17 Everton        35  8 15 12 31 45 -14 31
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18 Leicester      18  3  5 10 22 40 -18 14
19 Ipswich        17  2  6  9 16 32 -16 12
20 Southampton    18  1  3 14 11 37 -26  6

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Thomas Frank. Can we have all three?

No, awful football, fudging long ball hell and nothing our team is suited to

So serious question, if we lose against Wolves on a Sunday, which is a real possibility given that they are somewhat of a bogey team for us (who the fudge isn't?!), do you think Ange is gone?

I still am going to be sad if or when the "he's gone" message comes through as I'd like to see what he would do with a full team but I don't think we will get the chance to see it.

Wolves
Saudi Sportswashing Machine
Liverpool (Cup semi)
Tamworth (FA)
Arsenal (away)
Everton (away)
Hoffenheim (Europa away)

I see one sure win in that run, 3 losses, 2 draws, 1 win and you still wouldn't be in the 3rd week of Jan. It's very close to the end unless something. somehow doesn't turn around very quickly
 
Funny, you have been one of his critics (so fair to that), but do you really think

- If he wins one out of the next 5 (very likely) that there is no damage done?

My big concern is he's going to injure one of Solanke, Deki, Son seriously (overplayed/worked), I also think Gray, Bergvall, Udogie aren't being helped in their development by being constantly hung out to dry ...

- I agree the answer isn't Mason (some other interim), but surely just dead man walking it to end of season is way more damaging than making a change?
I honestly don't know if sacking him now or waiting until the summer is for the better or worse but I don't really believe that we can get a good option for the right now that also works in the long term.

As much as I've been critical I do think Ange can make some small alterations and turn things around.

I've never wanted any manager sacked (other than Mourinho) but I just need to see progress. I don't need perfection I just need to see an ability to learn from your mistakes, taking what's already happened and devising schemes to combat the failings. Ange doesn't or won't do that but as I've said quite few times I don't think he's a million miles away with some adjustments so I guess maybe a bit naively I'm hoping that he will begin to make adjustments and that would be the ideal solution for me rather than trying to bring in another coach.
 
It's presently 73% in despite the fact we are 11th at Christmas, and have lost 14 out of the last 25 league games. I can't help but wonder what the 73% believe is acceptable?
There just being contrain. Thinks it makes them a better fan and feeds into what is otherwise their low feelings of self worth.

Anyone who watches football can see what is happening.
 
I honestly don't know if sacking him now or waiting until the summer is for the better or worse but I don't really believe that we can get a good option for the right now that also works in the long term.

As much as I've been critical I do think Ange can make some small alterations and turn things around.

I've never wanted any manager sacked (other than Mourinho) but I just need to see progress. I don't need perfection I just need to see an ability to learn from your mistakes, taking what's already happened and devising schemes to combat the failings. Ange doesn't or won't do that but as I've said quite few times I don't think he's a million miles away with some adjustments so I guess maybe a bit naively I'm hoping that he will begin to make adjustments and that would be the ideal solution for me rather than trying to bring in another coach.

I 100% believe if the guy backed the team down 10-15%, let one player sit, we would beat all the dross in the league.

The problem is, or the question is, do you really see that change/alterations coming from him?
 
No, awful football, fudging long ball hell and nothing our team is suited to



Wolves
Saudi Sportswashing Machine
Liverpool (Cup semi)
Tamworth (FA)
Arsenal (away)
Everton (away)
Hoffenheim (Europa away)

I see one sure win in that run, 3 losses, 2 draws, 1 win and you still wouldn't be in the 3rd week of Jan. It's very close to the end unless something. somehow doesn't turn around very quickly
Has arry redknapp actually retired?
 
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