Ange in or out?

[Mikey10]

Thanks for posting. As I live in Oz could you tell me if he is reliable when it comes to us.

I’m not really sure how reliable he is on us tbh as I don’t tend to follow the endless speculation in the print media too closely (I’m too busy following it on here ).

FWIW I thought there was a bit of a shift in tone in how Jack Pitt-Brooke and Jay Harris (both Spurs journalists at The Athletic) were talking about Ange’s position on Monday’s View From the Lane podcast (which seemed to be leaning towards him being given a chance to start next season) to yesterday’s episode (where they were frequently taking as if he would go).

Not sure if that was based on anything other than more time elapsing without any clear backing emerging from the board…

In the end we’re all guessing! Hopefully the speculation will have ended by this time next week one way or the other, because it dragging on isn’t going to help our preparations for next season.

 

[Mikey10]

I had decided I was Ange out a couple of weeks before the final and honestly nothing has changed for me.

I kind of don't see the point in giving him a trial period next season as that's just puts us in a bad place in terms of summer recruitment and a lack of preseason for the new manager.

If we don't sack him now then realistically we have to commit to him for the entire season otherwise what's the point ? Besides his supporters will always find an excuse. Next season I expect to hear about the difficulty of playing PL and CL games, injuries, settlement times for new players etc.

Sack the man now or give him the entire season good or bad.

I really don’t understand the ‘Give him 6-10 games’ argument for two reasons.

One, saying we’ll let him start and see how it goes seems to me to be an admission that we don’t think he’s good enough but the board aren’t brave enough to make a decision to sack him now.

Two, his record in the first 10 games of each of his seasons with us has been very good (season one) and decent (season two). The problems have kicked in after that.

 

[Daisuk]

Football journalist at The Independent.



It’s in his weekly Reading the Game newsletter which you can sign up to through The Independent. The comments are being widely carried in a lot of news websites.

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Cheers. So he does indeed say that in there?

 

[Robspur12]

…but they didn’t.

Because not one of them were allowed to give up on the League to focus only on the cups. I genuinely believe the club are shocked and surprised about how bad it got in the league this season. Yeah from January or when ever we lost in the Carabao the EL became the priority and that was a club decision. But nevertheless, I doubt anyone expected a 4th from bottom finish and 22 losses. Hence the silence so far on his future. Why wouldn't you end speculation around a trophy winning manager early doors? I still think the board will keep him tbh but the decision is a difficult one.

Unfortunately, Ange has not shown any ability to manage multiple tournaments in his 2 seasons. That is a problem going forward.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Because not one of them were allowed to give up on the League to focus only on the cups. I genuinely believe the club are shocked and surprised about how bad it got in the league this season. Yeah from January or when ever we lost in the Carabao the EL became the priority and that was a club decision. But nevertheless, I doubt anyone expected a 4th from bottom finish and 22 losses. Hence the silence so far on his future. Why wouldn't you end speculation around a trophy winning manager early doors? I still think the board will keep him tbh but the decision is a difficult one.

Unfortunately, Ange has not shown any ability to manage multiple tournaments in his 2 seasons. That is a problem going forward.

The last paragraph is the bottom line really. As much as I’ve said he deserves the start of next season you are absolutely right.

 

[Bishop]

Yes they have, that is nothing compared to what we went through first half of the season. And injuries are everywhere now in the modern game with all the extra games these guys are going through. Brighton apparently suffered more players out with injuries than us, Bournemouth had a big injury crisis too both with no Europe.

It's just the realities of playing in the fast paced PL, Ange has clearly been adapting since last time, injuries are still going to happen to us and every other club....

I agree injuries are part of the game and it's why you will have never seen me using them as an explanation for poor form or results. They are part of the game and how you deal with them says as much about your management as anything else does.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I really don’t understand the ‘Give him 6-10 games’ argument for two reasons.

One, saying we’ll let him start and see how it goes seems to me to be an admission that we don’t think he’s good enough but the board aren’t brave enough to make a decision to sack him now.

Two, his record in the first 10 games of each of his seasons with us has been very good (season one) and decent (season two). The problems have kicked in after that.

It’s daft
It’s all or nothing

 

[harr1984]

I agree injuries are part of the game and it's why you will have never seen me using them as an explanation for poor form or results. They are part of the game and how you deal with them says as much about your management as anything else does.

Yeah I agree, I hate using injuries as an excuse tbh But I do think this first half of the seasons were unprecedented, I would give him leeway for that.

Personally I'm more interested in what has been learnt since then. Any team would struggle having to juggle Europe and the PL with that number of first teamers out and for a significant amount of time. So would be critical for it not to happen again. Not sure he will be given the time to see either way anyway...

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Yeah I agree, I hate using injuries as an excuse tbh But I do think this first half of the seasons were unprecedented, I would give him leeway for that.

Personally I'm more interested in what has been learnt since then. Any team would struggle having to juggle Europe and the PL with that number of first teamers out and for a significant amount of time. So would be critical for it not to happen again. Not sure he will be given the time to see either way anyway...

Injuries like many things arent excuses, they are path of the context though and are a variable that clubs and managers have to “manage”

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Just on supposed change of tone from journos, I imagine if Paratici comes back he'll be gone.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Just on supposed change of tone from journos, I imagine if Paratici comes back he'll be gone.

It will have to happen sooner. We cant be sitting on our hands for a month until we are allowed to formally appoint him. The new CEO needs to take control next week and get Munn and Ange out

 

[harr1984]

The way some were talking about Paratici it was as if it's been officially confirmed he will be coming back, I thought I'd just missed the announcement- what actually is the situation with him then?

 

[Bishop]

Injuries like many things arent excuses, they are path of the context though and are a variable that clubs and managers have to “manage”

Injuries happen to every club. Some of the wins we have had could have been attributed to injuries on the losing club's side but we wouldn't care about that and we shouldn't. Injuries happen to everyone so if your squad isn't prepared that is your own fault. If you do not have an adaptable plan that is again your own fault. If you can not play without a specific player I'm going again say the same thing...that's on you.

Managing is just that managing. A good manager has a plan that is adaptable for the majority of scenarios, the greats a plan that works great in pretty much all contexts. If you can't work in these contexts you're not a great or even a good "manager".

 

[HarryBreadbap]

I really don’t understand the ‘Give him 6-10 games’ argument for two reasons.

One, saying we’ll let him start and see how it goes seems to me to be an admission that we don’t think he’s good enough but the board aren’t brave enough to make a decision to sack him now.

Two, his record in the first 10 games of each of his seasons with us has been very good (season one) and decent (season two). The problems have kicked in after that.

Three: giving him funds to buy players when he won't be here is more money down the drain that a new manager would lose come January.

There's a big enough body of evidence to prove that overall this job is beyond his capability.

 

[Gutter Boy]

The way some were talking about Paratici it was as if it's been officially confirmed he will be coming back, I thought I'd just missed the announcement- what actually is the situation with him then?

He's banned from football appointments until 1 July.

But he turned down a role starting then at Milan a few weeks ago, and has been at about every one of our games this season.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Yeah I agree, I hate using injuries as an excuse tbh But I do think this first half of the seasons were unprecedented, I would give him leeway for that.

Personally I'm more interested in what has been learnt since then. Any team would struggle having to juggle Europe and the PL with that number of first teamers out and for a significant amount of time. So would be critical for it not to happen again. Not sure he will be given the time to see either way anyway...

Is it unprecedented when it happens two seasons running? And he had similar issues at Celtic too.

 

[Jurgen the German]

It’s daft
It’s all or nothing

Well if we are out of the cups by January and we’re near the bottom of the table then we’d have to act this time.

 

[Robspur12]

Yeah I agree, I hate using injuries as an excuse tbh But I do think this first half of the seasons were unprecedented, I would give him leeway for that.

Personally I'm more interested in what has been learnt since then. Any team would struggle having to juggle Europe and the PL with that number of first teamers out and for a significant amount of time. So would be critical for it not to happen again. Not sure he will be given the time to see either way anyway...

But since the knock out stages, his first teamers were back but he still didn't juggle the two effectively. It was all eggs in one basket.

 

[harr1984]

But since the knock out stages, his first teamers were back but he still didn't juggle the two effectively. It was all eggs in one basket.

He didn't try to juggle them at all to know whether he could or not - Romero, VDV and Udogie all back from injury but never played together in the league. Like you say it was all eggs in one basket...

 

[harr1984]

Well if we are out of the cups by January and we’re near the bottom of the table then we’d have to act this time.

If he is being allowed to start next season there is no chance he would get until January. You're previous post is accurate IMO - first 6 games or so maybe 8 and if we're anywhere around bottom half of table and same sort of flaws showing then he's done for.....