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[parklane1]

The saying sticks and stones suggests that it's ultimately just words that, yeah just suck it up. They can't hurt you.

If that's what you think then cool that's you're prerogative but it just shows that you haven't actually experienced it, or been moulded by it whereas many of us have been and are so.

I have lived and worked in several different countrys during my time so yes i have experienced it. However i have never let it mould me, if it has done that to you i am sorry to hear that.

 

[Bishop]

I have lived and worked in several different countrys during my time so yes i have experienced it. However i have never let it mould me, if it has done that to you i am sorry to hear that.

This is you speaking from the position of privilege. It's not the same.

Just like the person who equated being ginger with the discrimination ethnic minorities experience.

 

[parklane1]

This is you speaking from the position of privilege. It's not the same.

Just like the person who equated being ginger with the discrimination ethnic minorities experience.

Posistion of privilege , seems you have a chip on your shoulder, listen if you have been brocken/suffered racism then i am sorry you have been treated so badly. I mean that.

 

[Bishop]

Posistion of privilege , seems you have a chip on your shoulder, listen if you have been brocken/suffered racism then i am sorry you have been treated so badly. I mean that.

This is why I said you don't actually understand what racism means or is. You seem to think it's someone saying rude words to you in a *3rd world country. Yet not appreciating that the very reason you're in that place is due to your position of privilege in the first place. I know I'm speaking to a wall, you won't and do not want to understand.

 

[parklane1]

This is why I said you don't actually understand what racism means or is. You seem to think it's someone saying rude words to you in a *3rd world country. Yet not appreciating that the very reason you're in that place is due to your position of privilege in the first place. I know I'm speaking to a wall, you won't and do not want to understand.

As i said you do have a chip on your shoulder and you have no time for anyone who has a different slant on it. I will leave it there.

 

[Bishop]

As i said you do have a chip on your shoulder and you have no time for anyone who has a different slant on it. I will leave it there.

If you knew me in person you'd know a chip on my shoulder is the far from my reality, but I'm not naive nor am I going to pretend it doesn't exist as an undercurrent because it makes some people uncomfortable.

If minimising the concept makes it more palatable for you that's cool but that's not actually the reality, but yes let's finally leave it because we aim never agree.

 

[tommysvr]

I agree.
There is a old saying which goes like this [ sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me]

Tell that to all the kids who commit suicide thanks to bullying.

This is one of most outdated lines there is I reckon. It’s just so not true.

 

[RigorMortis]

What about having ginger hair? Or having a big nose or being ugly?

Abuse is abuse. Discrimination is discrimination.

Treating racism as a higher crime than other abuse is discriminatory and racist in itself.

I think you are showing a fundamental lack of understanding about racism here.
Enoch’s Powell’s rivers of blood speech wasn’t about an influx of ginger people or big noses

 

[RigorMortis]

As i said you do have a chip on your shoulder and you have no time for anyone who has a different slant on it. I will leave it there.

This is a pretty uncomfortable accusation you are going with there.

 

[veryoldspur]

They are not equivalents. A person's weight unless caused by medical reasons is something that is conditional and adjustable by the person. My skin colour is not. If I'm a clam I'm a clam, what does my skin colour have to do with it? Why would someone mention a person's skin colour in an unrelated description.

You just made my point for me. There is no shame in being black, and that's why you should never be offended, however there is shame in being fat because the person in question can do something about it. Like I said, if I lived in a black country I would NEVER be offended by a comment made about my skin colour, so it baffles me when the situation is reversed

 

[Baleforce]

You just made my point for me. There is no shame in being black, and that's why you should never be offended, however there is shame in being fat because the person in question can do something about it. Like I said, if I lived in a black country I would NEVER be offended by a comment made about my skin colour, so it baffles me when the situation is reversed

What if the comment was derogatory, and aimed at you solely because of the colour of your skin?

 

[fernadez]

You just made my point for me. There is no shame in being black, and that's why you should never be offended, however there is shame in being fat because the person in question can do something about it. Like I said, if I lived in a black country I would NEVER be offended by a comment made about my skin colour, so it baffles me when the situation is reversed

The offence isn't because what of is being said though, that's the misunderstanding. The offence is from that people who do or have said these things have carried out unspeakable acts, and that the words can be a precursor to aggression or persecution. There is no shame in being anything, majority or minority, but if your minority has learnt that people who have certain views and use certain language are then likely to *struggle cuddle*, murder, divide up your land and use your babies as alligator bait, you are justified in being wary of and anti people who use that language in the modern day, or people who try put the burden of not being offended by it on your shoulders.

You would never be offended cause while you can sympathise you can't empathise with this world view that some people have until you're from a demographic that has suffered hundreds of years of atrocities. Like i said, it's not my personal feelings, but some of the blanket statements in this thread are a reflection of the 'prvilege' of not being born into a world where your people's history is being on the receiving end.

 

[RigorMortis]

You just made my point for me. There is no shame in being black, and that's why you should never be offended, however there is shame in being fat because the person in question can do something about it. Like I said, if I lived in a black country I would NEVER be offended by a comment made about my skin colour, so it baffles me when the situation is reversed

I think the issue is if your are called a black clam for example it’s the fact that you are in all likelihood in the company of someone who hates you because of your ethnicity.
Which is racism

 

[veryoldspur]

What if the comment was derogatory, and aimed at you solely because of the colour of your skin?

I would never make such a comment, but honestly, if someone made a derogatory remark towards me based on the colour of my skin it wouldn't bother me in the slightest

 

[veryoldspur]

The offence isn't because what of is being said though, that's the misunderstanding. The offence is from that people who do or have said these things have carried out unspeakable acts, and that the words can be a precursor to aggression or persecution. There is no shame in being anything, majority or minority, but if your minority has learnt that people who have certain views and use certain language are then likely to *struggle cuddle*, murder, divide up your land and use your babies as alligator bait, you are justified in being wary of and anti people who use that language in the modern day, or people who try put the burden of not being offended by it on your shoulders.

You would never be offended cause while you can sympathise you can't empathise with this world view that some people have until you're from a demographic that has suffered hundreds of years of atrocities. Like i said, it's not my personal feelings, but some of the blanket statements in this thread are a reflection of the 'prvilege' of not being born into a world where your people's history is being on the receiving end.

Umm, the white man were slaves to the barbary pirates from west Africa before the black man became slaves. The Britts have been slaves to the French, the Romans, and the Nords. Atrocities' have been carried out through history, it's not unique to the black man

Nobody should be abusive to anyone about anything, I don't believe the colour of anyone's skin is a special case

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

That doesn't mean anyone should tread on egg shells either, and should have the right to like or dislike anyone they wish for what ever reason they wish. That's the difference between racism and racialism

To like or dislike someone is a simple calculation solely based on their behaviour or actions.... absolutely NOTHING else.

 

[veryoldspur]

I think the issue is if your are called a black clam for example it’s the fact that you are in all likelihood in the company of someone who hates you because of your ethnicity.
Which is racism

No it's not, that's racialism. The definition of a racist is someone who believes any given race is superior to another, which probably makes 99% of people racist. A racialist is someone who acts upon their beliefs, and those people are extremely rare, and don't just come from one colour. Many years ago I worked in Brixton and had half a dozen Afro Caribbean lads work for me, they all hated Africans, and they all hated Asians. Racism isn't unique to the white man, far from it

 

[fernadez]

Umm, the white man were slaves to the barbary pirates from west Africa before the black man became slaves. The Britts have been slaves to the French, the Romans, and the Nords. Atrocities' have been carried out through history, it's not unique to the black man

Nobody should be abusive to anyone about anything, I don't believe the colour of anyone's skin is a special case

Why did you mention skin colour in your response? I made no mention of who were the aggresors or victims

 

[Glenda's Legs]

You just made my point for me. There is no shame in being black, and that's why you should never be offended, however there is shame in being fat because the person in question can do something about it. Like I said, if I lived in a black country I would NEVER be offended by a comment made about my skin colour, so it baffles me when the situation is reversed

I would never make such a comment, but honestly, if someone made a derogatory remark towards me based on the colour of my skin it wouldn't bother me in the slightest

Both of your examples start with “if”. Maybe it’s different for those who have lived experience of being the subject of racism. And it’s not just comments, it’s an establishment and organisations that have it inherent in their ways of operating (although I’d like to think this is changing nowadays albeit not quickly enough).

 

[RigorMortis]

No it's not, that's racialism. The definition of a racist is someone who believes any given race is superior to another, which probably makes 99% of people racist. A racialist is someone who acts upon their beliefs, and those people are extremely rare, and don't just come from one colour. Many years ago I worked in Brixton and had half a dozen Afro Caribbean lads work for me, they all hated Africans, and they all hated Asians. Racism isn't unique to the white man, far from it

No one ever said it was
However in the context of the conversation that calling someone a fat clam is the same as a black clam the scenarios are very different.

As far as I’m aware there have been no mass calls for fat people to fudge off back to where they came from or all the proper Londoners have had to move to Essex and the Home Counties because of the influx of fat people.
These are accusations which uk ethnic minorities have heard many a time.
So your protestations seem disingenuous as does your definition of racism.
But this isn’t going anywhere

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